Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: For me, the fact that Zope 2.9.3 still emits deprecation warnings on a fresh install (zLOG...) is a pretty bad sign. Deprecation warning is only annoying but not a bad sign. Deprecations are not a functional problem. That sends a pretty bad message. It's not really

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Right. As a rule we must fix any code in the Zope core that would possibly spit out a deprecation warning caused by a deprecation warning. At least for zLOG in Zope 2.9 we (possibly only me) were not totally consequent. Yes, I noticed your name in svn praise ;-) Chris

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Yes, the 6 month cycle is very short. All of a sudden we have a situation where a whole slew of releases/branches is out there (2.7, 2.8, 2.9, 2.10, trunk) Indeed, this seems to be purely an artifact of time-based releases. I'm sure I'm not the only one who routinely

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: checkins list. Yes, I know. I know. I'm bad. But all of you have been there before, I'm pretty sure, so I hope you can sympathize. ...and how! And why the should the core emit a deprecation warning? Amen. the goal here? Removing zLOG is (at least by any sane

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: [snip] Personally, I find non-time-based releases a much nicer prospect: you only need to move to the next major version when it's ready and because it contains big new features you really want. Who is going to develop these big features? What's the motivation? I'm not

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 14. Juni 2006 07:32:42 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: Yes but the deprecation has been there for a while, and the third party product developers have been ignoring the warning. Their loss. And this is only for Zope 2.10 which I doubt these third

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14 Jun 2006, at 09:44, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 14. Juni 2006 07:32:42 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the good reasoning behind the time-based releases, but have they really worked out? Yes and No. Yes: It's a must

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 14. Juni 2006 10:28:08 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the fact that Zope 2.9.3 still emits deprecation warnings on a fresh install (zLOG...) is a pretty bad sign. I think this is a dead horse now. Some things were deprecated without actually converting all

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Chris McDonough
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warning: This is gonna be ranty and will almost certainly contain foul language. ;-) I've never actually seen a deprecation warning emitted for zLOG. And I'm about as in the loop as anybody could expect someone to be, but I've not actually

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/14/06, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The time-based release cycle just amplifies this across many branches and point releases, so nobody really knows which products work with what branch/release and under what configuration some feature is supposed to emit a deprecation warning

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 13:34 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 6/14/06, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, ignoring the confusion about zLOG, updating things for a new version of Zope with deprecation warnings is not much work. Honestly. You update to the new version, look at the

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2006-6-14 07:32 +0100: ... Would be interested to know what other people think... I like time based releases but I hate deprecations for cosmetic annoyances (term stolen from Andreas). I have the feeling that most deprecations so far have been for cosmetics only. --