On Saturday 10 November 2007, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Nov 10, 2007 12:52 PM, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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While I personally do not think that this is a good idea, I am open to
the suggestion to fix the KGS versions for a particular Zope 3.4 release.
For example, instead
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On Saturday 10 November 2007, Stephan Richter wrote:
Could we create a grok KGS which is generated by a python-script, that
takes the correct zope3 KGS as a base?
Based on my son's behavior today, you will be able to do this in a few
hours.
Okay, this is now done. It is all documented here
depend on a KGS, right?
Does the grok release not use the KGS from Stephan?
I agree with Roger, Grok should use the KGS and all will be fine. ;-)
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/var/www/download.zope.org/zop
e3.4
* * * *
* /home/srichter/mirror-tool/bin/update-simple-mirror
/var/www/download.zope.org/zope3.4
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.
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this!!
All packages in the KGS have been adjusted!
Just fix the broken things!
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override a version here and add packages there?
So the way to do this is to use versions.cfg from the KGS, which locks to the
latest version of all packages in the KGS; since the URL can be pointed
directly to the KGS server, you will get all the updates too.
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software to do this correctly. The
KGS index approach was just something that would give us sanity with very
little new software.
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://download.zope.org/Zope3.4/versions.cfg already. Can
you specify multiple version URLs?
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. But there are solutions. You can use find-links to get a newer
version. The beautiful thing about not nailing versions is that you can
overwrite what the index says.
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On Friday 09 November 2007, Chris McDonough wrote:
We should probably try to fix easy_install so that it can use layered
indexes (like apt and yum do).
Yep, that would be ideal.
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level project in svn or something like
Zope3/common-criteria/.
I would prefer a top level directory, like common-criteria.
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November 5, 2007 - The Zope 3 development team announces the Zope
3.4.0b2 release.
This release is the second beta release for Zope 3.4.0. It was preceded
by an early beta 1 release back in July.
Zope 3.4 introduces support for binary large objects in the ZODB, and provides
a new postprocessing
the owner role of all the packages that I am an owner of: J1m, fdrake,
ctheune, philikon, baijum. This should avoid people-availability bottlenecks
in the future.
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think this is totally silly.
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On Friday 02 November 2007, Benji York wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Friday 02 November 2007, Benji York wrote:
Why the test extra?
to get it working. :-) There were several packages required by
ftesting.zcml.
We generally put those in install_requires and eschew extras.
zope.file
unmanageable.
To put the final nail in the coffin, extras are not even fully supported by
setuptools.
Overall I am in favor in switching to 'test_require'.
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to
demonstrate the functionality in one more realistic environment. Like you
said. And those dependencies might not match my use of the package.
BTW, I think you guys did a good job of separating the real and testing
dependencies for the Zope packages.
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On Friday 02 November 2007, Benji York wrote:
Why the test extra?
to get it working. :-) There were several packages required by ftesting.zcml.
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system python without all the
additional site-packages and then uses this workingenv's python executable
for buildout. It would be great, if he would not need to use workingenv in
this case.
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, what about
using the new ZCML exclude framework for this case? You need to know
what you are doing, but this use case is for people who know exactly
what they're doing anyway, right?
-1.
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? Honestly, degrading Zope 3 to a set of libraries and
components is marketing poisoning for people deploying pure Zope 3
applications.
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On Thursday 04 October 2007 09:57, Jim Fulton wrote:
This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving
zope3 developers to the zope-dev list.
-1. I do not follow zope-dev at all and the traffic is pretty high there.
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that is interested in participating.
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, but it is tedious and takes time to get fully
right.
BTW, you can use the --repeat/-N option to run tests multiple times. This
will show you, if you setup and teardown correctly.
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On Thursday 11 January 2007 16:03, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote at 2007-1-11 03:12 -0500:
...
If you are populating the CA before ZCML is fully parsed, then:
DO NOT POPULATE THE CA WHILE IMPORTING!!!
This is so bad on so many levels. Dieter, your problem is just one
on so many levels. Dieter, your problem is just one example.
Another is that unit tests have no chance to work reliably either.
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On Thursday 11 January 2007 05:59, Chris Withers wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
If you are populating the CA before ZCML is fully parsed, then:
Why is the CA predicated on ZCML?!
Because that's how it works by default. Another way of saying this is:
Collect all registrations before executing
with the half-yr cycles, we need to schedule the
next release
for around March/April next yr. Thoughts?
We were hoping two switch to May and November. I'd be for May for
2.11/3.4.
+1
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On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:29, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
Geoff Davis wrote:
I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great.
I think it is stupid.
Me too!!
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On Tuesday 28 February 2006 06:51, Martijn Faassen wrote:
snip great discussion
I think we can just carry on this message.
I could not agree more. I have nothing to add at this point.
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a good packaging solution and
staying the path of reducing zope.app we will achieve what you want. :-)
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behind Five, but I don't see the need for a
change of direction.
A strong +1.
Wow, I agree with Martijn for three posts in a row; that has not happened for
a long time. :-)
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understand his improved implementation correctly, then it is very, very
cool!
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started to position the Zope 3 name and software correctly in
the market and now we are going to confuse people again. That is just plain
stupid^M^M^M^M^M^Msilly.
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that is, of course. :-) I think talking to Michael is the
better choice here. :-)
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On Wednesday 01 March 2006 09:32, Sidnei da Silva wrote:
What you think about turning those into functional doctests?
Of course a very, very big +1. :-)
Though I woul split them up, so that we can only test features that we know we
have implemented.
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making it work. Can't we just keep going on
the way we've been going then?
+1, I totally agree.
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? (Either yes or no is fine, but maybe or sometimes is
a lot harder to interpret.)
I agree.
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Zope 3 applications as I like it.
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On Monday 27 February 2006 11:06, Lennart Regebro wrote:
I like the vision of Zope2 becoming a set of extra packages you
install for Zope3, to get backwards compatibility. Maybe this is the
same as what you call Zope 5, maybe not.
That would sound good to me!!!
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this.
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will be a nearly automated process. Also receiving level 1 and
2 will be quick decisions. This is clearly stated in section 2.8.
I have added a questions to the QA section clearly stating that the ZSCP does
not require packages in the Common Repository.
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contradicts
those 3 points above, let me know! I am very interested in fixing those type
of bugs! :-)
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to change that. If
you do not have a contributor agreement that assigns half of the rights to an
organization, then you have to ask *all* developers whether the license
change is okay. If you cannot find a developer anymore you can never change
that license.
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snip IP discussion
Okay, this discussion is off-topic. I will not respond to it, unless I read
about something that relates directly to the proposal.
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requirements (I think it could even
get level 3).
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there :).
That would be very cool! :-)
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this assertion. Where did you read
this? The quotes you had earlier were totally out of context. Nothing in
Section 2 requires anything of section 3.
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from the primordial ooze to canon.
Well said.
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a section right at the beginning of section to communicate the
separation better.
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, if the technologies get much closer together. In
other words when Zoep 2 uses Zope 3's security, publisher, Page Templates,
RDB Adapters, etc.
Currently I often just delete zope-dev mails, because some weird thing is
discussed.
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-mails on
Zope-Dev.
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now) that does this one step, then we
effectively have drop-in packages. BTW, I think that a tool is also better,
because it would allow us to keep track of the installed packages and do
dependency checking, package-db maintenance, etc. Just randomly thinking...
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and November from June and
December. This means that the next release is scheduled for May and
the next feature freeze is April 1.
- We will support deprecated features for 1 year.
I consider there to be decisions. :)
Okay, +1.
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that
the new test runner (from zope.testing) was used in ZODB long before it
was used in Zope 3.
Argument taken and agreed that this is a valuable use case.
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goals here. I would agree with that approach, if
we would have a large community where small groups take over the maintenance
and development of a package. But that's not the case and it will not change
any time soon, I think.
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or even calling make, then it is fine by me. The others have
also pointed out the egg development mode.
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the Zope 3 dependencies in our dependency list and
build the release. We can decide to include Zope 3 dependencies or not.
Overall I think zpkg is a great win and whatever we do next should not remove
those features.
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as possible. I rather make some
concessions to the packaging and dependency system than spending more time
developing.
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and decided against it. Please discuss such important
issues that concern Zope 3 on zope3-dev.
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On Friday 09 December 2005 08:58, Jim Fulton wrote:
A proposal to address this problem is here:
http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/LocaleSpecificTextCollation
Comments are welcome.
+1 as said on IRC.
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architecture as if this may happen again at
any time are pretty scary.
Except that I have provided full backward-compatibility.
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contributing, if the prospect is that they have
to fix Five things; something they have nothing to do with.
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clutter is a real problem here, so let's not make it one.
It is opinion against opinion. This is a deadlock. I Am not going to reply
anymore, because (a) it is Thanks Giving and I am going out of town and (b) I
am just repeating myself anyways.
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have finally plenty of Zope 3 work, you come around and force me to
learn Five and Zope 2 again, if I want to continue developing for Zope 3. And
that's plain bullshit. The strong resistance of some of the other pure Zope 3
developers should give you a hint.
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will never want to depend on anyone
when implementing a feature. I have been burned too often when asking others
for help. Noone can guarantee help! (including me, Jim, Philipp, Time, Fred,
or anyone else)
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point. It is not that the Zope 2 community has a lot of
developers to bring to the table. The Zope 2 community also struggles getting
issues resolved and features implemented.
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community. I have outlined my arguments for
that statement in the many E-mails before.
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of this debate.
I was counting on you making exactly this suggestion. :-) I agree with all of
that.
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, but that's minimal.
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, more
resources, bla bla. I could repeat myself...)
I totally disagree. I, as a Zope 3 developer, have to learn Zope 2 and Five.
This raises the bar too high for me!
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1st is not for another 4 months. In all
honesty, I think you are downplaying the new overhead of Zope 3 developers
too much.
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early
adopters of Zope 3 and throw it in their face. Great appreciation!
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actually contributing to Zope 3 on a regular basis or the
ones that exclusively use Zope 3. Using this group, we have about an 80-90%
-1 vote count.
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On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:05, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
I totally disagree. I, as a Zope 3 developer, have to learn Zope 2 and
Five.
What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest clue of how
zope.wfmc works. Still I'm able to contribute
On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:25, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
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This would be Zope 3's death blow
as we know it, because it would stall Zope 3 for several months.
Why would it stall Zope 3 development?
Because you would immediately loose
set up was so that we could
do cross-project testing. Zope3/ should no longer be seen as a dumping place
for add-on packages, including zwiki and bugtracker.
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are not even getting bug reports.
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. That way we only have to supply one license text.
Agreed. I'll work on a script to replace the headers automatically.
I am pretty sure that there is a script in Zope 3. It changes the year to
another one, but you could reuse most of it.
Zope3/utilities/headerfix.py
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Thus for Zope 3, if someone creates a release branch without discussing it
with me first, then that person automatically becomes the release manager for
that release.
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, this is also positive for companies, since they can have several
developers being members. In the proposed scenario, my one-man shop would
have a lot of power compared to larger companies, such as ZC, Nuxeo, etc.
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it would
be premature to merge the lists again.
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On Thursday 03 February 2005 03:23, Chris Withers wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
Yes, that is true for packages in zope.
So, if I understand you correctly, I can use all packages, except those
in zope.app, on their own, without having to rely on anything else, right?
However, zope.app
, the registration code does not depend on the local site manager
code.
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College degree), but also the Zope Community to
better understand our community's strongholds and shortcommings. The results
will be presented at the Sprint DZUG meeting and will be available afterwards
online.
So please, hit the server with some traffic!
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is the right thing. It
covers all component types in a practical instructional manner. If this is
not enough for you, the Zope X3 source code has some really great README.txt
files that point out subtleties and corner cases.
See http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/Zope3Book
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