[Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses Maintenance and Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Max M
Jonathan skrev: - Original Message - From: Christopher Lozinski Well I have finally reached the stage where I am pushing the limits of ZClasses and would love an upgrade. Guess I need to do it myself. I know this is a serious PITA... I just spent 3 months replacing ZClasses with

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope Installers for Windows: ready for testing

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: It's that time again... fire up your VMs and do some testing. Let's get those up on the website ASAP! http://files.enfoldsystems.com/Zope-2.10.3-Final-7151.exe http://files.enfoldsystems.com/Zope-2.9.7-Final-7151.exe Cursory testing suggests they're both fine. If

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2007-04-18 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Apr 17 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Wed Apr 18 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Apr 17 20:54:06 EDT 2007

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope Installers for Windows: ready for testing

2007-04-18 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Cursory testing suggests they're both fine. If no-one's found any problems, I'll put them up some time tomorrow... Thank you Chris! -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses Maintenance and Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:52:03AM +0200, Max M wrote: I wrote this 5 message years ago: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2002-May/115427.html I've just added a link to that message on this wiki page: http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZClassesAreEvil Max (or anybody), feel free to merge the text

[Zope-dev] Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Thank you very much for all the advice, and particularly for the list of problems with ZClasses. I had been thinking of jumping in and fixing some of those things. I am not quite sure where to start.What do I work on to benefit ZClasses, while taking care of my immediate business needs?

Re: [Zope-dev] Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 12:32:24 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a much richer deeper long-term vision of where this is going, but the longest road begins with a single step. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I thought, hey, I bet a million people need such a simple web app. Let us make it really easy to implement craigslist or better. Let me go ahead and create a ZClass product, and go ahead and distribute it. Lots of people would use it. Or at least enough to

[Zope-dev] Re: egg issues: adding namespace boilerplate Products / patching testrunner

2007-04-18 Thread whit
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously whit wrote: 2 items: 1. how does everyone feel about adding the following boilerplate to all occurences of Products/__init__.py to enable the easy creation of Product eggs? Aren't we asking people to move to using python

[Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
I keep getting these negative email messages. Here is the most recent example. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of the developer community in ZClasses.. I have no idea what your goal is with your ongoing ZClasses postings..you're on

[Zope-dev] Re: Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: 1. There is no demand for a through the web development environment that works. I just don't believe that. There is demand for TTW *customisation*, as we have in CMF/Plone with the portal_skins mechanism, for example. Developing entire systems through a web

[Zope-dev] Re: Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Ross Patterson
Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep getting these negative email messages. Here is the most recent example. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of the developer community in ZClasses.. I have no idea what your goal

Re: [Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 16:31:29 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. There is no one to maintain ZClasses Again not true, I need to do it for my own interests. I am at the point where I want to upgrade ZClasses You're telling us that for years...submit code, human

Re: [Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 16:31:29 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AND HERE IS THE REAL ISSUE I THINK 7. Because of the way Zope is written, you just cannot do ZClasses right. You would have to change zope, and break lots of things. I think that is the core reason that some

[Zope-dev] ZClass Wiki Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Thanks for all the great feedback. I particularly liked someone's idea of upgrading the ZClass Wiki, so that there is a good source of information at 1 easily accessible location. I think it is very important as a community to operate on a shared blackboard. Not quite as good as writing

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects, which role gets to see which fields,

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects,