Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-03 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 2. Februar 2007 22:53:50 +0100 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But anyway, all I can do is register my concern, you're gonna do whatever you do. ;-) I am on your side, Chris. But, I fear, we will not be heard... One last remark. You all are highly recognized members of

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-03 Thread Chris McDonough
On Feb 3, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: With the argumentation that some old code might break with deprecated APIs you can fight almost against any kind of deprecation. I think deprecations are good when they serve a good purpose, but IMO this specific deprecation has no benefit other

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-02 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 2. Februar 2007 22:53:50 +0100 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a good deal of code using it that we just don't see because it's "internal-only". When the API disappears, making people revisit that code is particularly pointless; it's makework. OTOH, if the API is not

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris McDonough wrote at 2007-2-1 13:32 -0500: >> 0, for keeping zLOG for the time being... >> -1, for undeprecating it. Using Python's logging module should remain >> the only recommended solution. I don't want to see any new code using >> zLOG. > >There's a good deal of code using it that we just

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: 0, for keeping zLOG for the time being... -1, for undeprecating it. Using Python's logging module should remain the only recommended solution. I don't want to see any new code using zLOG. Totally agreed... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Lennart Regebro
I'm OK with keeping it deprecated forever. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://m

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: How would a user who got a zLOG import error know they needed to download something unless we leave a stub module and the deprecation warning in forever? Leaving it in and undeprecating it would allow lots of old products to work without any c

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 1. Februar 2007 12:31:12 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 1. Februar 2007 11:01:56 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many people would get indignant if I checked in a fix that undeprecated zLO

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 1. Februar 2007 11:01:56 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many people would get indignant if I checked in a fix that undeprecated zLOG? Removing the API seems silly, since its just a wrapper around the logging modu

Re: [Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 1. Februar 2007 11:01:56 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many people would get indignant if I checked in a fix that undeprecated zLOG? Removing the API seems silly, since its just a wrapper around the logging module now anyway. -0. We could make zLOG available a

[Zope-dev] undeprecating zLOG

2007-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
How many people would get indignant if I checked in a fix that undeprecated zLOG? Removing the API seems silly, since its just a wrapper around the logging module now anyway. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mai