[Zope3-dev] Re: Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-03-03 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 12:38:38AM +0100, Thomas Lotze wrote: > >>What was the reason for choosing these and not choosing others? > > > Minimal dependencies. > We thought we should start with easier packages. Right. The sele

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-03-03 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 12:38:38AM +0100, Thomas Lotze wrote: > What was the reason for choosing these and not choosing others? Minimal dependencies. We thought we should start with easier packages. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope3-dev

[Zope3-dev] Re: Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-03-03 Thread Thomas Lotze
Am Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:56:16 -0600 schrieb Paul Winkler: > We are planning to do this to a number of other packages: > > zope.i18n > zope.i18nmessageid > zope.deprecation > zope.exceptions > zope.tal > zope.component What was the reason for choosing these and not choosing others? What about, e.g

[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin3

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin3. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 3571 Blamelist: alga BUILD FAILED: failed test_2 sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope

[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
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[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin3

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin3. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 3570 Blamelist: alga BUILD FAILED: failed test_2 sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope

[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 3571 Blamelist: alga BUILD FAILED: failed test_2 sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope3-dev

[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 3570 Blamelist: alga BUILD FAILED: failed test_2 sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope3-dev maili

[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2006-03-03 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 3570 Blamelist: alga BUILD FAILED: failed test_2 sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] visions, brands and roadmaps in the sand

2006-03-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 3/3/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MS renames its core technologies every few years (at least) Eh... no they don't. It's been called "MS Windows", and "MS Office" and the like for like 15-20 years now. :-) In fact I can't think of any case where Microsoft have renamed any tech

Re: [Zope3-dev] visions, brands and roadmaps in the sand

2006-03-03 Thread Dieter Maurer
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2006-3-2 20:39 +0100: > ... >2. Zope3 may also get slightly streamlined, so that Zope3 is what is >needed to run Zope2 but not more. That means that Zope3 would lose the >ZMI. I would consider this a severe loss. The ZMI provides menu guided operations. This is much easie

Re: [Zope3-dev] visions, brands and roadmaps in the sand

2006-03-03 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2006-3-2 18:44 +0100: > ... >I worry about losing brands we've worked on hard to establish. While >many people do not understand the difference between Zope 2 and Zope 3, > many others have heard about Zope 3 and they know it is not Zope 2. I do not understand the "loss

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Chris Withers
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Zed/The Component Architecture Formerlyknown as Zope/GoldEgg/whatever that's not called Zope something: YUCK! (Who's Zed? Zed's dead, baby!) + sys.maxint Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Chris Withers
Martin Aspeli wrote: Personally, I still find it hard to know where the line goes between the ZMI and my own UI code, if I should be extending the ZMI or replacing it. Perhaps because I'm tainted by Zope 2's idea of the ZMI, though. I'm fairly sure the idea with Zope 3 was to be able to re-use

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 / Z3ECM April sprint in Paris at Nuxeo

2006-03-03 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Nuxeo, with the kind help of the Zope team of Chalmers University, plans to organise a Zope 3 sprint on April 3-7 in our premises in Paris. The focus of the sprint, like last year's successful sprint, will be ECM (Enterprise Content Management). Last year's Paris sprint was a turning point for th

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:49:31 -, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This should be Zope3 as it is now. A couple of things can go away. Maybe the rotterdam skin, I don't know. Definitely the default Folder objects and such. People, especially Zope2 people, think

[Zope3-dev] DisplayWidget

2006-03-03 Thread Shaun Cutts
  Is there any reason why zope.app.form.browser.widget.DisplayWidget doesn’t implement zope.app.form.interfaces.IDisplayWidget, or is this a bug?   - Shaun   ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailm

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-03-03 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:08 AM, Max M wrote: Splitting up Zope to let people use seperate pieces of Zope aka Zed is not a valid reason. Good software practise is a valid reason. But catering for those few developers that wants to use just a few pieces is probably not worth the effort. Here's o

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-03-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Terry Hancock wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:41:08 +0100 Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could you please stop using a new name for Zope 3 or the zope package? You can explain this perfectly well using the existing, well established names. I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions

2006-03-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] I think that having one name for two radically different, though related, things is very confusing. There are really 2 main technologies that people care about: 1. The Zope app server. This is characterized by things like an object file system, through-the-web scripti

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions

2006-03-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] Sounds like the original vision of Zope 3 without the X. I thought we never got around to developing this stuff the last time. Actually, no. We originally said that we would provide a transition path. I said over and over that this was *not* g

[Zope3-dev] Re: visions, brands and roadmaps in the sand

2006-03-03 Thread Paolo Invernizzi
For sure the past two days threads are raising my concern... We are using Zope3 internally, with profit. We have followed all the change of directions in the roadmap, since the initial vision: Designer/scripter/developer, TTW, ZCML for scripters/administrators, a beautiful framework for deve

Re: [Zope3-dev] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Stefan H. Holek
I like this a whole lot. This is *much* better than diluting the Zope brand (Zed is dead, baby). If people really say things like "Oh, I can't use zope.testbrowser because I'm not using Zope" it's time to school them, not to ruin our brand: "You only need the Zope CA for that, dude, so stop