Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 12:27 pm, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Part of the problem is that Zope 3 makes too great a distinction between > developers and scripters. Successful scripters become developers, and > developers often act as scripters. I think the use cases need to see > scripters and dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 3/7/06, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think currently Zope 3 would end up a little bit better than J2EE, but not > much. I think it would be better than that. To do "Hello World" you need to define a One "situp", no code except for the template. The second one requires you t

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:27:48AM -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Part of the problem is that Zope 3 makes too great a distinction between > developers and scripters. Successful scripters become developers, and > developers often act as scripters. +1. The distinction is arbitrary and fluid. >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 07 March 2006 13:43, Shane Hathaway wrote: My vision for the WebDev project is that you can develop WebDev packages using Zope 2 like features, but the result of the Web development can be generated into a real Python package. That might work, but the story b

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 13:43, Shane Hathaway wrote: > > My vision for the WebDev project is that you can develop WebDev packages > > using Zope 2 like features, but the result of the Web development can be > > generated into a real Python package. > > That might work, but the story breaks down if

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:31:11AM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I usually do not send messages like that, but in light of the recent > discussions about vision, viewing this will give us all some perspective on > what people are looking for: > > http://theploneblog.org/archi

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 07 March 2006 13:27, Shane Hathaway wrote: Part of the problem is that Zope 3 makes too great a distinction between developers and scripters. Successful scripters become developers, and developers often act as scripters. I think the use cases need to see scri

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 13:27, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Part of the problem is that Zope 3 makes too great a distinction between > developers and scripters.  Successful scripters become developers, and > developers often act as scripters.  I think the use cases need to see > scripters and developer

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stephan Richter wrote: I usually do not send messages like that, but in light of the recent discussions about vision, viewing this will give us all some perspective on what people are looking for: http://theploneblog.org/archive/2006/03/02/faster-better-cheaper I think currently Zope 3 would

[Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

2006-03-07 Thread Stephan Richter
Hi everyone, I usually do not send messages like that, but in light of the recent discussions about vision, viewing this will give us all some perspective on what people are looking for: http://theploneblog.org/archive/2006/03/02/faster-better-cheaper I think currently Zope 3 would end up a li