Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-09-11 Thread Patrick Gerken
On 7/16/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Patrick Gerken wrote: On 7/7/06, Julien Anguenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I marked the bug as bug + bugfix but nobody cares. That is much more discouraging than what I can not do nice wiki links to in my

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-09-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 11, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Patrick Gerken wrote: On 7/16/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Patrick Gerken wrote: On 7/7/06, Julien Anguenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I marked the bug as bug + bugfix but nobody cares. That is much more

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-16 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Patrick Gerken wrote: On 7/7/06, Julien Anguenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I marked the bug as bug + bugfix but nobody cares. That is much more discouraging than what I can not do nice wiki links to in my bugreport other bugtracker items or svn sources like

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-16 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 16. Juli 2006 09:33:33 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll note that *none* of the solutions include tests. Tests are often the bulk of the work. A submitter should not assume that just because a patch is provided, than someone only has to check it in. Submitter do

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-11 Thread Patrick Gerken
On 7/7/06, Julien Anguenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Julien Anguenot wrote: Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-11 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Patrick Gerken wrote: ... As a non committer I would like to note that it was easy for me to search if somebody already submitted a bug I found, and submit a new patch, it was also trivial to add the for the bugfix and the test. The only thing

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-11 Thread Benji York
Martijn Faassen wrote: The other suggestion I made elsewhere is the ability for developers to add breaking tests to the codebase (explicitly marked as such, and not normally run). +1 -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: I think we need to be more draconian about quality. Because we are late for this release, we will need to take the usual shortcuts, however, if we find missing tests, we should report them as non-critical bugs. In addition, we should disallow any new features that would

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree on

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Julien Anguenot wrote: Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-06 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Marius Gedminas wrote: I do not think that the requirements to 4. Write unit tests 5. Merge bugfixes from trunk to the release branch 6. Wait for the incredibly slow updates on the collector discourage me all that much. Right. They don't discourage me either, but there is a special

[Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree on that, especially making it easy to find which bugs need to be urgently fixed

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-05 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:46:52AM +0200, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. ... I feel like fixing a bug every now and then when I have like 30 minutes spare time and

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-05 Thread dieter
Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I have to work harder to introduce the fix because I have to start introducing tests? We should find and announce a