Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey,. On Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] It might be nice for the marketing of zope to give each set of eggs a nice name. Just using familiar mozilla names as an illustration, see how nice zope-thunderbird or zope-firefox look. So do away with the kgs in the

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Well, we had to do the classic Zope 3 release at least one more

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
Tom Hoffman wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Tom Hoffman wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
Not responding to anyone in particular: I see there are plenty people with opinions. I would love not to do the Zope 3 releases anymore! I am tired of the endless discussions. Think I am frustrated? Absolutely! All the suggestions made here require more work, more manpower. But there is

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Well, we had to do the classic Zope 3

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread David Pratt
Hi Martijn. I am familiar with grok and the fun and welcoming community you have created. With the perspective I have suggested, releases are only sets with different names giving meaning to each set for developer groups. As a project, grok is currently pinning eggs but can also provide a kgs

[Zope3-Users] Re: Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris McDonough wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Eg. Current name Proposed name

[Zope3-Users] Re: Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris McDonough wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 01 February 2008, Tres Seaver wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them.  It's not useful.  If no one else thinks it's a good idea, I'm not going to push either. I would favor the following for a roadmap going forward:  - No more tarball

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:04 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The transition seems now achieved and the most important thing is to have a dedicated web site with clear information, so that there are new users, and new contributors. When someone goes to the zope.org

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:11 PM, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. I don't know how it's been setup, but if you want to join I'm sure Martin Aspeli can

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Christophe Combelles
Stephan Richter a écrit : Not responding to anyone in particular: I see there are plenty people with opinions. I would love not to do the Zope 3 releases anymore! I am tired of the endless discussions. Think I am frustrated? Absolutely! All the suggestions made here require more work, more

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter Web Software Design, Development and Training Google me. Zope Stephan Richter

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them. *cheers* Marius Gedminas -- The clothes have no emperor. -- C.A.R. Hoare, commenting on ADA. signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 8:59 PM, Paul Carduner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think the website is one of the huge impediments to joining the Zope community. When you compare zope.org to all the other web framework websites like django, turbogears, and RoR, it is pretty clear why people

Re: [Zope3-Users] using zope.testing's testrunner outside of zope

2008-02-01 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: If you use buildout, there is a recipe for creating a test runner. See http://svn.zope.org/zope.kgs/trunk/?rev=83325 for a good example. Where's the actual test runner or test runner creater? Also, what's the best way to indicate in setup.py that my package needs

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
I'll take that as STFU ;-) Got it. - C Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them. *cheers* Marius Gedminas

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Right - thanks Martijn for spilling the beans prematurely. ;-) We haven't wanted to make too much of a splash about this until we

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread David Pratt
Martin Aspeli wrote: I think you're right on the money. I really have very little idea of how Zope 3 is supposed to be used right now, or what Zope 3 really is (and no-one fully agrees, as evidenced by other posts in this thread). Having to piece together that information from the mailing