[Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Milind Khadilkar
Hi everyone, Hope Zope is being used in its different forms very actively all over, the silence on this list notwithstanding. I have not followed Zope for more than a year now, but do visit the site once in a while. Is Zope4 planned as a sort of named release with downloadables? Or would there be

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Christopher Lozinski
On 9/6/14, 3:01 PM, Milind Khadilkar wrote: the silence on this list notwithstanding. I am happily using Grok. It is based on ZTK, but makes life much easier. There is another person I now of who also recently started using Grok. What are you planning on doing? Regards Chris

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Andreas Jung
Better look into Pyramid Regards Andreas Jung - Sorry for being brief - sent from a mobile device. Am 06.09.2014 um 14:01 schrieb Milind Khadilkar zedobj...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, Hope Zope is being used in its different forms very actively all over, the silence on this list

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Milind Khadilkar
Afraid I am no longer actively looking for a development platform... Have been involved with teams working on Zope2, Zope3, Grok, ZTK and to some extent Pyramid... over a 12 year period ( :( no contribution to community, alas!) but not at this point. But every now and then discussions bring up

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Christopher Lozinski
On 9/6/14, 5:00 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Better look into Pyramid I did look at pyramid. Multiple times. My highest respects to Chrism. So why am I using Grok instead of Pyramid? Pyramid has a bit of an idenity issue. Is it for relational databases, or the Zope Object Database? Is it

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Andreas Jung
This nonsense needs some remarks 2014-09-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Christopher Lozinski lozin...@freerecruiting.com : On 9/6/14, 5:00 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Better look into Pyramid I did look at pyramid. Multiple times. My highest respects to Chrism. So why am I using Grok instead of

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Christopher Lozinski
On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: without citing the source My Apologies. Here it is. http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ I quote: I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out what the heck is going on with

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Carlos de la Guardia
There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could have been. http://substanced.net/ Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6,

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Milind Khadilkar
Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that was the simple question I had asked! Thanks also for pointing out substancedD. Will definitely go through it. Just one question: is the civilized in Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman? On Sun, Sep 7,

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Carlos de la Guardia
No dig. We love the caveman. Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar zedobj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that was the simple question I had asked! Thanks also for pointing out substancedD. Will

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Milind Khadilkar
Thanks! :) Milind Khadilkar On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Carlos de la Guardia carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com wrote: No dig. We love the caveman. Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar zedobj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty

Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

2014-09-06 Thread Andreas Jung
2014-09-06 22:39 GMT+02:00 Christopher Lozinski lozin...@freerecruiting.com : On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: without citing the source My Apologies. Here it is. http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ I quote: I’m having to read