AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi all

 Cc: Philipp von Weitershausen; Martijn Pieters
 Betreff: Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

[...]

  Btw, Windows users can generate standard tarballs using the 
 --formats
  switch:
 
 Yep, that worked. Roger forgot those options. I am going to 
 release real tarballs today.

No I defently didn't forgot this option. I released 1.7.1
as tar.gz with the option --format=gztar and 1.7.2 as zip
because of the report form malthe that the egg misses the 
zcml file.

All the *.zcml files where in every release included.

I think that's a setuptools issue, The files do not get 
extracted, that's it. I have no idea if this only happens
because the computer which extracts the eggs does not have
the newest setuptools installed.

I used the newest version of setuptools whihc is available
e.g. version: setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg. If this is a 
issue on build eggs, then it's defently not fixed.

Many thanks Stephan

Regards
Roger Ineichen

 Regards,
 Stephan

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RE: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Gross,Thomas Michael
Hi all,

  I'm using setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg on a Mac OS X 10.5.1 and I have the same 
issue with zope.viewlet 3.4.1.

-Tom

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Hi all

 Cc: Philipp von Weitershausen; Martijn Pieters
 Betreff: Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

[...]

  Btw, Windows users can generate standard tarballs using the
 --formats
  switch:

 Yep, that worked. Roger forgot those options. I am going to
 release real tarballs today.

No I defently didn't forgot this option. I released 1.7.1
as tar.gz with the option --format=gztar and 1.7.2 as zip
because of the report form malthe that the egg misses the
zcml file.

All the *.zcml files where in every release included.

I think that's a setuptools issue, The files do not get
extracted, that's it. I have no idea if this only happens
because the computer which extracts the eggs does not have
the newest setuptools installed.

I used the newest version of setuptools whihc is available
e.g. version: setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg. If this is a
issue on build eggs, then it's defently not fixed.

Many thanks Stephan

Regards
Roger Ineichen

 Regards,
 Stephan

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AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Tom

 Betreff: RE: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error
 
 Hi all,
 
   I'm using setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg on a Mac OS X 10.5.1 
 and I have the same issue with zope.viewlet 3.4.1.

Yes, there are more scrambled eggs out there.

Stephan, 
do you have time do release the other eggs?

Regards
Roger Ineichen

 -Tom
 
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 Subject: AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error
 
 Hi all
 
  Cc: Philipp von Weitershausen; Martijn Pieters
  Betreff: Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error
 
 [...]
 
   Btw, Windows users can generate standard tarballs using the
  --formats
   switch:
 
  Yep, that worked. Roger forgot those options. I am going to release 
  real tarballs today.
 
 No I defently didn't forgot this option. I released 1.7.1 as 
 tar.gz with the option --format=gztar and 1.7.2 as zip 
 because of the report form malthe that the egg misses the zcml file.
 
 All the *.zcml files where in every release included.
 
 I think that's a setuptools issue, The files do not get 
 extracted, that's it. I have no idea if this only happens 
 because the computer which extracts the eggs does not have 
 the newest setuptools installed.
 
 I used the newest version of setuptools whihc is available 
 e.g. version: setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg. If this is a issue 
 on build eggs, then it's defently not fixed.
 
 Many thanks Stephan
 
 Regards
 Roger Ineichen
 
  Regards,
  Stephan
 
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AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn

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[...]

  I used the newest version of setuptools whihc is available e.g. 
  version: setuptools-0.6c7-py2.4.egg. If this is a issue on 
 build eggs, 
  then it's defently not fixed.
 
 Ah, ah, ah! Files not getting extracted sounds like the 
 tarfile bug in python that Florian Schulze hit as well:
 
 http://www.nabble.com/Egg-uploads---Lessons-learned-td14279963
 s6745.html

Yes, absolutly, thanks for the link. 

 Apparently that's fixed in Python 2.5, which is a fat lot of 
 help to us stuck on 2.4.

Sounds like a good reason to switch to Pyhton 2.5

Regards
Roger Ineichen
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Re: AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 24 January 2008, Roger Ineichen wrote:
 Stephan,
 do you have time do release the other eggs?

Yes.

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Re: Fwd: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 06:40:08PM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Martijn Pieters wrote:
  On Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM, Peter Koppatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   What has changed between 1.7.0 and 1.7.2?
  
   ls -al | wc -l
  
   1.7.0 -- 76
   1.7. 2 -- 47
   there are no *-txt , *.zcml anymore!
 
  Someone must have built the release tarball from a fresh SVN export;
  setup.py does not include txt and zcml files and such by default when
  building a release tarball, while a development egg would include
  those. In other words, the maintainer of z3c.form (and I mean YOU,
  Stephan) should add a MANIFEST.in with the lines global-include
  *.txt and global-include *.zcml in it and re-roll the release.
 
 The problem are faulty ZIP files that do not open correctly in Linux. The 
 ZCML 
 and Text files are there, but are not extracted correctly by setuptools. 

When we encountered this problem during the Foliage sprint, the problem
was not the use of .zip instead of .tar.gz, but a manifest with \r\n
line endings inside the archive.  setuptools did rstrip('\n') on the
lines and then tried to copy nonexistent files with a names that ended
in '\r'.  The bug was fixed on the same day in a newer setuptools 0.6
prerelease.

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AW: Fwd: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-24 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Marius

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[...]

  The problem are faulty ZIP files that do not open correctly 
 in Linux. 
  The ZCML and Text files are there, but are not extracted 
 correctly by setuptools.
 
 When we encountered this problem during the Foliage sprint, 
 the problem was not the use of .zip instead of .tar.gz, but a 
 manifest with \r\n line endings inside the archive.  
 setuptools did rstrip('\n') on the lines and then tried to 
 copy nonexistent files with a names that ended in '\r'.  The 
 bug was fixed on the same day in a newer setuptools 0.6 prerelease.

Yes, that was what I was thinking. But I had the latest setuptools
installed and this happens again. Seems that this is a tar lib
bug in python.

Regards
Roger Ineichen
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Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM, Peter Koppatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What has changed between 1.7.0 and 1.7.2?

 ls -al | wc -l

 1.7.0 -- 76
 1.7. 2 -- 47
 there are no *-txt , *.zcml anymore!

Someone must have built the release tarball from a fresh SVN export;
setup.py does not include txt and zcml files and such by default when
building a release tarball, while a development egg would include
those. In other words, the maintainer of z3c.form (and I mean YOU,
Stephan) should add a MANIFEST.in with the lines global-include
*.txt and global-include *.zcml in it and re-roll the release.

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AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi all, Stephan, Philipp

Sorry about that... PhiliKON told me
that this is fixed a couple month ago. That was the
reason I tried to lay eggs again. But now it seems 
that we have rumbled eggs again.

Seems that setuptools(?) is buggy and still doesn't work 
on a windows box. Philipp, right? Or do I need a patch?

I told Stephan about that two days ago bit seems that he doesn't
have time to build the eggs and upload them since then.

Whould be great if someone could help just build the 
eggs based on the tags again and upload them.
Tell me if you need permissions and I can set it 
for you on PyPi.

Philipp,
Can you give me some hints about this issues and
point me to your mail thread about that? Can you explain 
what really happens and what should get fixed?

I'm out of office this afternoon but will take another
look at that tonight.

Stephan
Do you have time to fix that today?

Regards
Roger Ineichen
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 On Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM, Peter Koppatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What has changed between 1.7.0 and 1.7.2?
 
  ls -al | wc -l
 
  1.7.0 -- 76
  1.7. 2 -- 47
  there are no *-txt , *.zcml anymore!
 
 Someone must have built the release tarball from a fresh SVN 
 export; setup.py does not include txt and zcml files and such 
 by default when building a release tarball, while a 
 development egg would include those. In other words, the 
 maintainer of z3c.form (and I mean YOU,
 Stephan) should add a MANIFEST.in with the lines 
 global-include *.txt and global-include *.zcml in it and 
 re-roll the release.
 
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Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Jan 23, 2008 1:20 PM, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry about that... PhiliKON told me
 that this is fixed a couple month ago. That was the
 reason I tried to lay eggs again. But now it seems
 that we have rumbled eggs again.

 Seems that setuptools(?) is buggy and still doesn't work
 on a windows box. Philipp, right? Or do I need a patch?

No, I see the exact same thing on Mac and Linux; you need to
explicitly include .zcml and .txt files in MANIFEST.in; that file
doesn't exist; just create one next to setup.py, and include 2 lines:

  global-include *.txt
  global-include *.zcml

This'll include *all* text and zcml files recursively found from that directory.

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AW: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn

 Betreff: Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error
 
 On Jan 23, 2008 1:20 PM, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry about that... PhiliKON told me
  that this is fixed a couple month ago. That was the reason 
 I tried to 
  lay eggs again. But now it seems that we have rumbled eggs again.
 
  Seems that setuptools(?) is buggy and still doesn't work on 
 a windows 
  box. Philipp, right? Or do I need a patch?
 
 No, I see the exact same thing on Mac and Linux; you need to 
 explicitly include .zcml and .txt files in MANIFEST.in; that 
 file doesn't exist; just create one next to setup.py, and 
 include 2 lines:
 
   global-include *.txt
   global-include *.zcml
 
 This'll include *all* text and zcml files recursively found 
 from that directory.

Are you really sure? that's new to me and that isn't documented
here:
http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Sandbox/philikon/foundation/releasing-softwar
e.txt

Is this new or just a windows feature?

And why does the eggs work on my windows machine without any issue?

Note I just released like we did before, older tags do not contain
such a MANIFEST.in file.

Note my output looks like this and contains all *.zcml files etc.
Also the zip or if I use --format=tar.gz contain the files.
I guess they only get not extracted from the zip or tar.gz file.

On my machine everyting is there and the eggs works like expected
if the come form pypi ;-)

--
D:\eggDev\z3c.form\tags\1.7.2python setup.py sdist
running sdist
running egg_info
writing requirements to src\z3c.form.egg-info\requires.txt
writing src\z3c.form.egg-info\PKG-INFO
writing namespace_packages to src\z3c.form.egg-info\namespace_packages.txt
writing top-level names to src\z3c.form.egg-info\top_level.txt
writing dependency_links to src\z3c.form.egg-info\dependency_links.txt
writing manifest file 'src\z3c.form.egg-info\SOURCES.txt'
creating z3c.form-1.7.2
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form\browser
creating z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form\tests
copying files to z3c.form-1.7.2...
copying AUTHOR.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying CHANGES.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying LICENSE.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying README.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying TODOS.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying bootstrap.py - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying setup.py - z3c.form-1.7.2
copying src\z3c\__init__.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\PKG-INFO -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\SOURCES.txt -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\dependency_links.txt -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\namespace_packages.txt -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\not-zip-safe -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\requires.txt -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c.form.egg-info\top_level.txt -
z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c.form.egg-info
copying src\z3c\form\README.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\SETUP.cfg - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\__init__.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\action.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\action.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\adding.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\adding.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\button.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\button.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\compatibility.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\configure.zcml - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\converter.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\converter.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\datamanager.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\datamanager.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\error.pt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\error.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\error.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\field.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\field.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\form-graph.dot - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\form-graph.png - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\form-graph.ps - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\form.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\form.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\group.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\group.txt - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\i18n.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\interfaces.py - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\meta.zcml - z3c.form-1.7.2\src\z3c\form
copying src\z3c\form\subform.py - z3c.form

Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Jan 23, 2008 2:04 PM, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No, I see the exact same thing on Mac and Linux; you need to
  explicitly include .zcml and .txt files in MANIFEST.in; that
  file doesn't exist; just create one next to setup.py, and
  include 2 lines:
 
global-include *.txt
global-include *.zcml
 
  This'll include *all* text and zcml files recursively found
  from that directory.

 Are you really sure? that's new to me and that isn't documented
 here:
 http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Sandbox/philikon/foundation/releasing-softwar
 e.txt

Nope, it's a distutils feature: http://docs.python.org/dist/manifest.html

 Is this new or just a windows feature?

 And why does the eggs work on my windows machine without any issue?

Did you release the egg from a SVN checkout, or a SVN export? I
haven't experimented with this, but that's my current hypothesis, that
setuptools behaves differently then; that or a dev egg has been
created in a buildout and the .egg-info dir contains more information.

 Note I just released like we did before, older tags do not contain
 such a MANIFEST.in file.

It's how I solved the same problem recently with the release of
collective.captcha; the upload to pypi didn't have anything but the
README.txt and the python code; other text files and zcml were
missing.

 Note my output looks like this and contains all *.zcml files etc.
 Also the zip or if I use --format=tar.gz contain the files.
 I guess they only get not extracted from the zip or tar.gz file.

 On my machine everyting is there and the eggs works like expected
 if the come form pypi ;-)

Perhaps there is something different going on then; as I stated, I saw
what appears to be the same problem and it was solved by including a
MANIFEST.in.

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Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

On 23 Jan 2008, at 14:22 , Martijn Pieters wrote:

On Jan 23, 2008 2:04 PM, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No, I see the exact same thing on Mac and Linux; you need to
explicitly include .zcml and .txt files in MANIFEST.in; that
file doesn't exist; just create one next to setup.py, and
include 2 lines:

 global-include *.txt
 global-include *.zcml

This'll include *all* text and zcml files recursively found
from that directory.


Are you really sure? that's new to me and that isn't documented
here:
http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Sandbox/philikon/foundation/releasing-softwar
e.txt


Nope, it's a distutils feature: http://docs.python.org/dist/manifest.html


Yes, MANIFEST.in is a distutils feature. It's also described in my  
book, by the way.


However, setuptools makes the usage of MANIFEST.in unnecessary when  
you're operating within a subversion checkout. In such a case, an egg  
will contain all files managed by subversion. Therefore, you should  
always create eggs from svn checkouts, never from svn exports.  
setuptools is smart enough to ignore '.svn' etc. The releasing- 
software.txt document outslines the correct procedure here, I think.


I distinctly remember there being a Windows-related bug in setuptools,  
but IIRC, it was about line endings in one of the EGG-INFO files  
within ZIP files, or something like that. That one was fixed a while  
ago. Not sure whether it made it to an actual setuptools release,  
though.


Btw, Windows users can generate standard tarballs using the --formats  
switch:


  python setup.py sdist --formats=gztar

(see python setup.py sdist  --help-formats). Since the code was  
checked on Windows, the source code and text files will have Windows  
line endings, though... :/


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Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Jan 23, 2008 6:11 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, MANIFEST.in is a distutils feature. It's also described in my
 book, by the way.

 However, setuptools makes the usage of MANIFEST.in unnecessary when
 you're operating within a subversion checkout. In such a case, an egg
 will contain all files managed by subversion. Therefore, you should
 always create eggs from svn checkouts, never from svn exports.
 setuptools is smart enough to ignore '.svn' etc. The releasing-
 software.txt document outslines the correct procedure here, I think.

Right, and I think that's actually a bad feature; it has caused quite
some confusion for several developers, including myself. It means that
setup.py silently works completely different when within or outside of
a subversion working directory.

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Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
 I distinctly remember there being a Windows-related bug in setuptools,  
 but IIRC, it was about line endings in one of the EGG-INFO files  
 within ZIP files, or something like that. That one was fixed a while  
 ago. Not sure whether it made it to an actual setuptools release,  
 though.

 Btw, Windows users can generate standard tarballs using the --formats  
 switch:

Yep, that worked. Roger forgot those options. I am going to release real 
tarballs today.

As a general observation: Seeing so many people noticing the bad release right 
away makes me think that people are not using the KGS. I cannot stress 
enough, how good the KGS treats you, if you use it. ;-)

Regards,
Stephan
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Re: Fwd: [Zope3-Users] z3c-form meta.zcml error

2008-01-23 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM, Peter Koppatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What has changed between 1.7.0 and 1.7.2?
 
  ls -al | wc -l
 
  1.7.0 -- 76
  1.7. 2 -- 47
  there are no *-txt , *.zcml anymore!

 Someone must have built the release tarball from a fresh SVN export;
 setup.py does not include txt and zcml files and such by default when
 building a release tarball, while a development egg would include
 those. In other words, the maintainer of z3c.form (and I mean YOU,
 Stephan) should add a MANIFEST.in with the lines global-include
 *.txt and global-include *.zcml in it and re-roll the release.

The problem are faulty ZIP files that do not open correctly in Linux. The ZCML 
and Text files are there, but are not extracted correctly by setuptools. 
Roger forgot to create the releases with the --format option.

I have removed 1.7.1 and 1.7.2 from the repository and PyPI, because they were 
not bug fixes anyways, but new feature releases warranting a 1.8 release. I 
have uploaded the 1.8.0 release now to PyPI.

Regards,
Stephan
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