Considering SF should be included into SMW as a standard anyway, the move
would make sense (I can't imagine managing a SMW without SF).

That would also prevent the kind of cross list duplication we have seen in
the past weeks.

- Laurent Alquier

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I've had the thought over the last few months to get rid of this mailing
> list/Google group, and move all discussions about Semantic Forms over to the
> two Semantic MediaWiki mailing lists: semediawiki-user (for users), and
> semediawiki-devel (for developers).
>
> When this list was started about two years ago, Semantic Forms was a very
> new and rather buggy extension for SMW; at this point, it's in use on I
> believe something like 80% of active SMW installations. It's still buggy, :)
> but the posts on the list are less about bugs now and more about usage and
> feature requests. So you could say that the SF mailing list has been a
> victim of its own success: due to the technical improvements and community
> support that the mailing list has enabled, SF has become a stable part of
> what people consider to be SMW, and thus there's less of a need to have a
> separate discussion area.
>
> If you're curious, you can see the monthly volume of emails on the three
> lists here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/semantic-forms/about
>
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=semediawiki-user
>
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=semediawiki-devel
>
> There are currently about 100 messages a month to the SF mailing list, and
> a slightly higher number of the semediawiki-user list, and about 50 a month
> on the semediawiki-devel list. Altogether, I don't think getting rid of this
> list would overwhelm the other two, especially since (a) some emails are
> sent to both the SF and SMW-user list, and (b) other questions sent to the
> SF list are really about SMW or one of the other extensions.
>
> I see a number of advantages in moving everything to the two SMW mailing
> lists:
> 1. one less mailing list for users to join
> 2. reduced confusion about which mailing list to write to for which
> questions, especially the borderline cases, such as anything to do with
> templates
> 3. makes it clearer that Semantic Forms is a part of the SMW world, as
> opposed to some specialized application
> 4. increases the feeling of a single SMW community, that one can address
> all of at the same time
> 5. allows separation of emails about Semantic Forms development from those
> about SF usage, since they'd now be on separate lists
>
> On the other hand, I can think of two disadvantages:
>
> 1. it increases email volume to people who really only want to be on one
> list or the other. There may be people on this list who don't want to get
> general emails about SMW (though I think that would be a mistake); and of
> course there will be people on the semediawiki-user list who aren't
> interested in SF. I should note that, even if people on this list think it's
> a good idea, I would still need to get permission from the SMW mailing list
> people, so the second one is really a separate issue.
> 2. the SMW mailing lists have a pretty shoddy track record of accepting
> emails from new users - sometimes emails wait for a week or longer before
> getting confirmed. I probably won't do the move unless I can get myself and
> the other administrators of this list to be made administrators of the SMW
> lists as well; which would hopefully speed things up quite a bit.
>
> And there might be more I haven't thought of. Any thoughts?
>
> -Yaron
>
> >
>


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- Laurent Alquier
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