here is catch, you yoursefl wrote in *your* work.
so i guess it is your work.
i remember times how this list helped me
with people made me read servlet api ( nic being intrumental in that)
and i realized most problems were lack of my enthusiasm in reading
basics or greed of finding easy solutions.
i feel that flanking is okay for new bies sometimes to put them in right
direction tell them there are no shortcuts to hall of fame.
so i suggest whoever maintains this list. have set of rules laid down
and tell them ( rather than genereal major domo message ) in welcome
mail. if some body consistenly is asking questions not worth it then he
should be dropped.
ralhan
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:26:26AM -1000m Stephen wrote :
> The answer to your question is, no. I would not ask the barber about taxes, etc.
> I would ask him ANYTHING related to hair care though. If he uses a brush or a
> razor in his line of work, I would ask him about the razor or brush. If I use
> JDBC in my servlet work, why can't I ask questions about JDBC?
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@JAVA.SUN.COM> on 02/02/2001 07:15:13 AM
>
> Please respond to "A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java
> Servlet API Technology." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Sent by: "A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> API Technology." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Please Read: Community driven list?
>
>
> I think you've actually made the comment that sums up the current problem
> with the list:
>
> "Sad to say, I rarely get the help I need from the list."
>
> Let me ask you this: Do you go to your barber to ask about tax issues, get
> help with a legal problem, and find out what time of the year to plant
> watermelon? No. You go to him to get your hair cut. There are other
> professionals dedicated to these other tasks, and you ask them for this
> information.
>
> These lists should work the same way. Because if they don't, they're much
> like your barber spending all his time reading legal journals, tax
> pamphlets, and gardening magazines. He does a lousy job of cutting hair,
> and people stop going to him.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Please Read: Community driven list?
>
>
> I hate to hear that you are offloading the moderator job to each of us. I think
> we have too many condescending jerks on this list as it is. Instead I would
> like
> the atmosphere to change to one where ANYONE can feel comfortable asking
> ANYTHING that has to do with their servlet work. I originally came to the list
> looking for help with my JDBC connections. Instead of providing an answer I was
> told, 'this is off topic'. Turns out there is a difference working with JDBC in
> servlets as opposed to java applications. The longest threads I've seen on this
> list have had to do with the so called experts scolding newbies about asking
> questions that have been asked and answered before. When I read the archives, I
> see answers. Many times these answers are conflicting. In some cases they are
> just wrong. How do you know what keywords to use in your search?
>
> Anyway, that is my rant. I wouldn't have offered it but, you asked. Bottom line
> is I think you should excuse yourself from the list if the emails get to be too
> many for you. I actually now use the archives to find the email addresses of
> people who seem friendly and don't mind offering help to idiots like me. I send
> a private email and if I can't get an answer that way I'll go to the list. Sad
> to say, I rarely get the help I need from the list. I think many people who
> might have answered have been run off by the 'experts'.
>
> I think the code repository is a great idea. I think strict enforcement of the
> 'rules' is a terrible idea. Most of the people who use this list simply crave
> knowledge. Let's make it a place where they can come and ask without being
> castigated for their lack of 'expertise'.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone. This is not a personal attack.
>
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