Yes, please. The one who replies is the guilty one.
Regards - George
"Phillips, George H." wrote:
> I think the situation with some off-topic posts can be complicated. Some
> newbies don't have the technical knowledge to determine when something is
> off topic. JDBC is a good example, since you may be coding JDBC stuff in a
> servlet and to a newbie that makes it servlet-related. Also, since this is
> a public forum, there's always going to be a cadre of folks who just don't
> care about ettiquette and post whatever they want wherever they want to.
>
> I find the noise generated by the process of letting someone know they are
> off-topic (possible replies, additional explanations, etc.) almost as
> annoying as the original, innapropriate post.
>
> I suggest the best treatment for an off-topic poster is to simply ignore
> them. People who get no answer of any kind will sooner or later move on to
> another resource with their problems. Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on
> with the business at hand.
>
> Just my 2 pennies worth...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 3:53 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [ADMIN] Please Read: Community driven list?
> >
> >
> > I received a bunch of comments about me being "on the list"
> > lately, mostly
> > positive saying that a "moderator" was so much needed on
> > servlet-interest.
> >
> > Well, let me tell you one thing, I never heard about this
> > list until Danny,
> > the spec lead, "offloaded" it on me, and asked me to play the
> > moderator...
> >
> > I started in November lurking, and posting a couple of stuff,
> > this last
> > week, fairly enough, I had some spare time to dedicate to it,
> > and I red a
> > couple of messages who made me see that things were not going...
> >
> > Then Milt Epstein (I believe it was him), posted me an idea,
> > why not having
> > the policies on line, so that anyone could have pointed them
> > out. I took
> > what Danny wrote quite some time ago, HTMLized, and posted on my home
> > machine.
> >
> > Now, I'm not here to enforce anything, I don't like to be the "ruler"
> > especially of an open forum, where everyone is welcome to
> > come and talk, but
> > definitely someone needs to take a clear point ad say "this
> > is allowed" and
> > "this is not".
> >
> > I spent the last 5 years of my life on open source projects, mostly on
> > Apache stuff (first JServ, then Cocoon, now Tomcat) and what
> > we have in that
> > place is the concept of "community". Anyone can come, post
> > code, fixes,
> > comments, ideas, and those make up a successful product.
> >
> > Our product here is "knowledge", it's a mailing list, an open
> > forum, but it
> > seems that we're far from building a community. There are
> > long time friends,
> > like Nic Ferrier who follow the list daily and are great
> > contributors, but
> > we are not a community. In "Borg" terms (can you tell I like
> > Star Trek?) we
> > are individuals, while in my opinion we should be more like a
> > collective.
> >
> > I'd like all of you to go ahead and read the "rules" I posted
> > yesterday, and
> > send comments, NOT TO ME, to the list itself, let everyone
> > see what you
> > think and what you want, let's discuss those rules and
> > improve them, so that
> > everyone will be happy with them. And when we get to an
> > agreement, I'd like
> > to see each of you pointing out at our self-imposed rules and
> > enforce them,
> > don't be shy to tell "hey, keep your long-ass press release
> > out of this
> > list", or "check the archive because that question was
> > answered last week".
> >
> > Let's try to build a community around this incredible bunch
> > of hundreds of
> > people, and let's make this community become something
> > _really_ useful and
> > likable.
> >
> > Also, post ideas, what you want to see around here. An
> > example, Anantha
> > Krishnan (the guy I played 20 "Google" questions with two
> > days ago) asked me
> > if it was possible to come up with a "code repository" of examples and
> > tools, we all have bandwidth and on-line megabytes to waste,
> > do you think
> > it's needed? Would you like to have it? Or would you rather
> > see a FAQ system
> > on which anyone can contribute? Send over your ideas, and if
> > we all agree on
> > them, we can find some volunteer between us to make them
> > become reality.
> >
> > Let's work on this thing, on Apache we are delivering code,
> > here we are
> > producing "knowledge", we have a wonderful technology called
> > Java and we all
> > want it to be successful, or do you want to go back and code
> > CGI in C or
> > PERL again?
> >
> > Let's build _the_ servlet users community...
> >
> > Pier
> >
> > BTW, I'll still be the "moderator", but in case you didn't
> > understand it, I
> > want to "offload" this job on each of you guys.... :) Money
> > for nothing :)
> >
> > --
> > Pier Fumagalli - Sun Microsystems, INC -
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm selling my Sony Vaio Z505. Check out <http://www.betaversion.org/~pier/>
>
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