Hey Bud, You win. NOW, I can't even picture those contortions. Bowling is fun, they say.
Al At 06:53 PM 8/26/2002, you wrote: >UGG!! Ugly question. >Your comments/observations are the same as 3 other PGA pros "How can you >do that?" >The swing is more towards flat and definitely V shaped. Divots are inside to >outside. Definite weight shift forward (too much). Face impacts tend to be >low and >towards to the toe. Miss-hits (staying away for that previous thread :) )are >tops. Shot shape is a pull hook with a high trajectory. Occasionally, I >hit a push >(damn, where's the hook?). The s-word is very rare (a couple a season and >when I am >pis*ed at hitting another shot off the toe). Remember this is with irons, >and more >pronounced/specifically with middle and short irons. Woods are a different >story. > >I think the whole mess deals with my back issues and the cart girl being >slow with >the green bottle beer :) > >Mark > >Al Taylor wrote: > > > Mark, > > Just casually following your dilemma with those criminals and your > > crime-like shots. ;-) Will let you deal with the stealers of old clubs. > > > > If you swing is "definitely inside out" I am not sure how you are pulling > > them. Also, it would be hard to get "sky-high" shots unless you were > > laying the club wide open. Hitting them low and close to the hosel would > > tell me you should be getting a lot of Sh__nk shots, but you don't mention > > that. Since I can't remember your swing from the last time we played, I > > would ask you to describe again your swing. I think we may have a mix > up here. > > > > An LPGA pro, that I took lessons from, gave me a swing check that helps me > > a lot to get back to basics. First of all, take away is low and > > slow. Start it back inside, but do not lay the club off. As your wrists > > break, think "thumbs up" as you bring the club behind your head. Keep back > > of left hand flat and in line with your wrist and forearm. That usually > > helps a lot if I don't forget to turn. ;-)) > > > > Al > > > > At 10:27 PM 8/25/2002, you wrote: > > >You know whats unique here: I never at anytime think of wrist cock. I feel > > >like > > >I am blocking the ball most of the time (retarding wrist cock/release > as I am > > >afraid of the death hook). My swing has been describe as flat though > not w/ > > >short irons. > > > > > >We're getting more towards a fitting here (and I appreciate it as we > all make > > >our own worst DR). To give a reference as far as distance relative to > height. > > >Avg 5 iron is 180. SW is 110 and SKY HIGH! Head is a verified 56* > loft. 8 iron > > >is also a verified 40* and good for a SKY HIGH 150 yd shot. Most recent > > >previous > > >heads used were Chicago 944 DBs and Toski Classics. > > > > > >Here's the kicker, I am looking at a try at a higher offset, COG moved > > >back set. > > >While sounding crazy: > > >A: I demoed a set I made and had unique results, (Figured it was the > > >newness of > > >the offset) > > >B: I need to try something else I am working on currently requiring > (easiest > > >method) a GS iron head. Those that are fitting for this experiment are > high > > >offset. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > >Bernie Baymiller wrote: > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > Well, sounds like you're taking the club back inside too much. I'd > work on > > > > taking the club straight back from the ball without breaking your > wrists. > > > > Going straight back will force your upper body to turn about 90�. > Keep the > > > > back of your left hand almost vertical and when your backswing gets > about > > > > waist high, cock your wrist straight up, keeping the wrist-to-hand area > > > flat > > > > as it started. The club should go up between your head and right > shoulder, > > > > club head hanging down and shaft pointing nearly at the target. If > you take > > > > the club too much inside on the backswing, the head gets behind > your body > > > > and too flat. Then, you have to really roll the right hand, > throwing the > > > > club over the top to make any contact, your body is ahead and the > result is > > > > a pull hook. > > > > > > > > The Acer XDS2 Pros might be a head you'd like better than the > Catapult STS, > > > > because they have almost no offset. If your short irons are too > high, you > > > > might look at some of the delofted style heads, which include: > > > > Avocet from Mirage, GV Back and KS Tour from Diamond Tour, PS > Series 3 from > > > > Streamline, and there are probably a few others out there. These are > > > > generally low cg irons, so even though they are delofted to 43� and 44� > > > PWs, > > > > they still hit the ball almost a normal height, but about 10-15 yards > > > > farther than normal lofts. Have no idea of the quality of these > heads, but > > > > the Acer XDS2 Pros are good ones (though only delofted to a 46� PW). > > > > > > > > Bernie > > > > Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark A. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: was Test now iron heads > > > > > > > > > Bernie, I appreciate your response. What I was trying to do is > solicit: > > > > > A: 1st some traffic here > > > > > B: an idea of what people are playing and why > > > > > > > > > > As far as your questions: > > > > > With this new set, I may be trying heads outside the norm of what I > > > > prefer, and > > > > > also what common knowledge leads to. > > > > > > > > > > I have an awful tendency to pull irons (as well as all other > clubs), and > > > > when I > > > > > do not, I still hit a hook. Swing path is distinctly inside to > outside., > > > > > Historically I have preferred to play minimal offset heads > (Chicago 944DB > > > > and > > > > > Toski Classic). Traj has been messed up by my awful swing. In the > past. > > > > All > > > > > shots were high, now only short irons are high (when I say high, > I mean > > > > NASA > > > > > picks them up). > > > > > > > > > > Thinking of trying some items outside of the norm (ie: an large > offset > > > > with a > > > > > large cavity back). > > > > > > > > > > My tendency is to catch the ball on the downward stroke low on on the > > > > heel. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > Bernie Baymiller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your objectives and preferences for your irons? What > kind of > > > > look > > > > > > do you like? How far do you want to hit a 7-iron and a PW? What are > > > your > > > > > > directional tendencies? Cost parameters? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you like the look and feel of blades, the semi-cavity back > Chicago > > > > 944C > > > > > > is hard to beat. Hits solid and long with the right graphite > > > > shafts...like > > > > > > Apache PM-30s. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you like cavity backs with low offset, Hireko's Acer XDS2 > > > > Professional is > > > > > > a quality-made, solid hitting head that looks much more > expensive than > > > > it > > > > > > is. PW is slightly delofted at 46�. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you like cavity backs and are a fader who is helped by > offset and > > > > needs > > > > > > distance in the short irons, Hireko's Catapult STS is another > quality, > > > > low > > > > > > cost head with a low cg and is considerably delofted for the 7 > through > > > > the > > > > > > PW (44�). > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm playing the Catapult STS with steel shafts from 8-PW and the > > > Chicago > > > > > > 944s from 4 through 7-iron with Apache graphites. The combo > works well > > > > for > > > > > > me, since I have a slightly outside-in swing and tend to launch my > > > short > > > > > > irons higher than normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Others that seem to play well for my customers: Dynacraft PC-3 has > > > three > > > > > > different lies available. Golfworks CER 551 plays OK. Check out > golf > > > > club > > > > > > review for some others. > http://www.golfclubreview.com/componen2.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernie > > > > > > Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Mark A. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:44 PM > > > > > > Subject: ShopTalk: was Test now iron heads > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops > > > > > > > quiet I meant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for opinions on your fav iron head and why. > > > > > > > My house was robbed the other day, and one of the many things > taken > > > > was > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > clubs. Being that it is slow, lets open up a thread on fav > iron heads > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the whys behind it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mark A. Patton" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Test > > > > > > > > Been real quite here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
