How is it fair, you ask? Well, here’s how. Our faculty league has an arcane set of rules, a combination of match and medal. Every year we review the results and every year we find that the low handicap players have a slight advantage over the rest. The intention is to equalize the players so that they are playing against their own record, giving us all a chance to win by playing much better than average. And that is what happens.
L. Hunter Kevil University of Missouri From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Devino Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 How in gods name is it fair to the guy that goes out and practices 2 to three times a week that he has to give strokes to a guy that shows up at the course on tournament day with out having practiced for a month and the guy that put the work in to become a scratch golfer has to give the slacky strokes. Oh but we all can't be scratch golfers its not fair some of us are just not good enough athletes. That's true but still not a real justification for penalizing some because they are. Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 908-1691 ________________________________ From: Chris Stricker <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:22:02 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 Exactly why I don't play for money. Uptight low handicappers who think we're all equal. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Devino <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 When you play for money, you play straight up! None of this handicap thing, you ain't playing the horses now! Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 908-1691 ________________________________ From: Tom Flanagan <[email protected]> To: shoptalk <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 1:29:49 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 Hah! One more thing that occurs to me. I absolutely hate getting hooked up in a tournament or in a money game, regardless of the size of the bet, with a guy whose handicap is calculated after a few rounds of "in the leather", 2 o.b's "gimme a double cuz that's all I can post, no rooties no divots, toss it out of a bunker cuz I can't play bunker shots". What the hell kind of a handicap can the guy possibly have. In a "count 'em all" stroke play tournament that guy is a goner, same with match play. We have guys here sporting 10's and 11's who can't break 90 if you spot them 10m strokes. Vanity handicaps galore. TFlan ________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:53:56 -0400 Personally I have no problem with casual or recreational golf – in fact, playing in preferred lies events, whether club or league sponsored, can be a lot of fun. I do have a BIG problem with people who can’t form 2 golf-related sentences without including their latest handicap, all the while playing with these casual rules. Saying you play to a ‘USGA’ 5 (or whatever) while ‘rolling it on the fairway’ or playing ‘in the leather’ is probably the biggest lie in golf. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom and Donna Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 Exactly what I am talking about! Thanks Tom for the reply! TM Tom Flanagan wrote: "Recreational golf" is exactly that. Willie Nelson replied, when asked what par is on his own golf course "hell, par is whatever I want it to be". Tournament, or "serious" golf is one thing, but when a group of guys who play together regularly want to allow preferred lies, 20 clubs, illegal balls or bent rules, how does that affect anyone else? It's their game. We have some "illegal" tournaments here, as do most every club at which I've been a member; "Selective Drives", string tournaments, pari-mutual betting, calcuttas, mandatory skins, "mulligans" - the list is long. Take a look at the large number of tournament formats that are played and sponsored by golf organizations. If you've never played in one you're missing some fun times. I certainly don't approve of cheating - I've been rules chairman, tournament chairman, handicap chairman, president and other offices in a few golf clubs and have always supported the rules. However, having said that, what groups of friends do among themselves during a round of golf has absolutely nothing to do with me, or anyone else for that matter. TFlan > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:28:31 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > As a clubmaker and fitter I seldom post on the forum. I am also a player > that enjoys the game rather it is played by the rules of St. Andrews or > a Saturday morning round of laughter, competition, or a pocket change > gambling, it is still golf. Recently some of the senior players at our > club decided to it was time to abide by the gospel of St. Andrews. Gone > are the days of gimmes, best ball, inside the rubber, and just plain > fun. All at once, without notice to the membership, three or four > players, decide that Scottish Rule will rule the game in ALL play > regardless of times passed. What was once an exercise in relaxation has > become an iron fisted restriction on fun and companionship. > > With that said I totally agree and support the rules of golf in every > way when it comes to tournament play. The rules were established so > that the game could retain its integrity through time and sustain its > social following. However there is still room on the course for the > guys that load up on beer and disturb players two fairways away. It is > a game and it will always be just a game so why not let there be room > for just a good time. Tournament play is different and should be > treated that way. The rules of golf are simple, just like another set > of rules for living, not to many to learn, not to many to follow. The > problem is that folks try every way imaginable to bend them for their > own purpose. Just watch a player on TV try to get away with ball > placement during a tournament. > > There are very few postings on this forum that I don't read. I save the > ones that I can learn from and even pass on to others the lessons I > learn from. Keep up the postings gentlemen, you are my teacher. > > Tom Mason > > Marcello Franchi wrote: > > Tom, > > If my email sent a message like I was in any way offended by your > > statements, it was away from my intent and I apologize for that. > > English is not my mother tongue, and probably the tone of my email > > came out harder than I wanted. > > > > Sorry for that and ciao, > > Marcello > > -- > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila Voodoo. > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ ________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. <http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM> -- Tom Mason Class of 1960 SDI 7-28-2001 ________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live Click here. <http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009>
