I agree, but you can't say "good good"? That's agreement to waive the rules and cause for disqualification. I played SCGA and NCGA Team Match Play since about 1962 until this year, cuz I have no game any longer I was Team Captain for about 15 years, Handicap and Rules Chairman for longer than that. So yeah, gimmies in tournament play are allowed and in fact encouraged to speed play, and in that case the system works pretty well. What I was referring to re; gimmes was the all too often vanity game - "gimme a double cuz that's all I can take. There's a sea of difference between the two.
TFlan > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:26:20 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > FYI, "gimmees" or conceded putts/holes are perfectly legal in match play, and > those rounds are required to be posted for handicap purposes. The handicap > system has specific rules for match play and conceded putts/holes, stating > that "the most likely score" is to be posted for any conceded hole. In other > words, if someone concedes a one foot putt to you for a par, you record a par > for handicap purposes (that would be the most likely score as you almost > always make a one foot putt). However, if they concede the hole and you have > a 25 footer, your most likely result would be 2 putts from that distance. > Also, even if you win the match on hole 14, that score should be posted as > well, and there are rules in place for how. > > Tedd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Don M > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:10 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > > Maybe he's talking about playing for real money, not funsie stuff among > buddies. If I was playing for real money, I would not trust anyone's > handicap either. At least not with the US handicapping system. > > -Don M > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Chris Stricker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Chris Stricker <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > #yiv1424824497 DIV { > > MARGIN:0px;} > > > > > > > > > > Exactly why I don't > > play for money. > > Uptight low handicappers who think we're all > > equal. > > > > ----- Original Message > > ----- > > From: > > Robert > > Devino > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, August > > 03, 2009 11:27 > > PM > > Subject: Re: > > ShopTalk: Favorite Club for > > 2009 > > > > > > When > > you play for money, you play straight up! None of > > this handicap thing, > > you ain't playing the horses now! > > > > Sincerely, > > Robert Devino > > 14252 Delano St. > > Van Nuys, > > Ca. 91401 > > (818) 908-1691 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom > > Flanagan <[email protected]> > > To: shoptalk <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, August > > 3, 2009 1:29:49 > > PM > > Subject: RE: > > ShopTalk: > > Favorite Club for 2009 > > > > > > #yiv1424824497 .hmmessage P > > {margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1424824497 > > {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > Hah! > > > > > > One more thing that occurs to me. I absolutely hate > > getting hooked up in > > a tournament or in a money game, regardless of the size > > of the bet, with a guy > > whose handicap is calculated after a few rounds of > > "in the leather", 2 o.b's > > "gimme a double cuz that's all I can post, no > > rooties no divots, toss it out > > of a bunker cuz I can't play bunker shots". What > > the hell kind of a handicap > > can the guy possibly have. > > > > > > In a "count 'em all" stroke play > > tournament that guy is a goner, same > > with match play. We have guys here sporting 10's and > > 11's who can't break 90 > > if you spot them 10m strokes. Vanity handicaps > > galore. > > > > > > TFlan > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: > > ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:53:56 > > -0400 > > > > > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass .EC_shape {} > > > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times > > New Roman', 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 > > .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > > span.EC_MsoHyperlink > > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1424824497 > > .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > > span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > > {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1424824497 > > .ExternalClass p > > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times > > New Roman', 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 > > .ExternalClass pre > > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Courier > > New';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > > span.EC_HTMLPreformattedChar {font-family:'Consolas', > > 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > > span.EC_EmailStyle20 {font-family:'Calibri', > > 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > > .EC_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv1424824497 > > _filtered {}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > > {} > > > > > > Personally > > I have no problem with casual or recreational golf – in > > fact, playing in > > preferred lies events, whether club or league sponsored, > > can be a lot of > > fun. > > > > I > > do have a BIG problem with people who can’t form 2 > > golf-related sentences > > without including their latest handicap, all the while > > playing with these > > casual rules. Saying you play to a ‘USGA’ 5 (or > > whatever) while ‘rolling > > it on the fairway’ or playing ‘in the > > leather’ is probably the biggest > > lie in golf. > > > > > > > > From: > > [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Tom and Donna > > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:31 > > AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: > > Favorite Club for 2009 > > > > Exactly what I am talking > > about! Thanks Tom for > > the reply! > > TM > > > > Tom Flanagan wrote: > > "Recreational golf" is > > > > exactly that. Willie Nelson replied, when asked what par > > is on his own golf > > course "hell, par is whatever I want it to be". > > Tournament, or "serious" golf > > is one thing, but when a group of guys who play together > > regularly want to > > allow preferred lies, 20 clubs, illegal balls or bent > > rules, how does that > > affect anyone else? It's their game. > > > > We have some "illegal" > > tournaments here, as do most every club at which I've > > been a member; > > "Selective Drives", string tournaments, > > pari-mutual betting, calcuttas, > > mandatory skins, "mulligans" - the list is > > long. Take a look at the large > > number of tournament formats that are played and > > sponsored by golf > > organizations. If you've never played in one > > you're missing some fun times. > > > > > > I certainly don't approve of cheating - I've been > > rules chairman, > > tournament chairman, handicap chairman, president and > > other offices in a few > > golf clubs and have always supported the rules. However, > > having said that, > > what groups of friends do among themselves during a round > > of golf has > > absolutely nothing to do with me, or anyone else for that > > matter. > > > > > > TFlan > > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:28:31 -0500 > > > From: > > [email protected] > > > To: > > [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > > > > > As a clubmaker > > and fitter I seldom post on the forum. I am also a player > > > > > that enjoys > > the game rather it is played by the rules of St. Andrews > > or > > > a > > Saturday morning round of laughter, competition, or a > > pocket change > > > > > gambling, it is still golf. Recently some of the senior > > players at our > > > > > club decided to it was time to abide by the gospel of > > St. Andrews. > > Gone > > > are the days of gimmes, best ball, inside the rubber, > > and just > > plain > > > fun. All at once, without notice to the membership, > > three or > > four > > > players, decide that Scottish Rule will rule the game > > in ALL > > play > > > regardless of times passed. What was once an exercise > > in > > relaxation has > > > become an iron fisted restriction on fun and > > companionship. > > > > > > With that said I totally agree and support > > the rules of golf in every > > > way when it comes to tournament play. The > > rules were established so > > > that the game could retain its integrity > > through time and sustain its > > > social following. However there is still > > room on the course for the > > > guys that load up on beer and disturb > > players two fairways away. It is > > > a game and it will always be just a > > game so why not let there be room > > > for just a good time. Tournament > > play is different and should be > > > treated that way. The rules of golf > > are simple, just like another set > > > of rules for living, not to many to > > learn, not to many to follow. The > > > problem is that folks try every way > > imaginable to bend them for their > > > own purpose. Just watch a player on > > TV try to get away with ball > > > placement during a tournament. > > > > > > > > There are very few postings on this forum that I > > don't read. I save > > the > > > ones that I can learn from and even pass on to others > > the lessons > > I > > > learn from. Keep up the postings gentlemen, you are my > > > > teacher. > > > > > > Tom Mason > > > > > > Marcello Franchi > > wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > If my email sent a message like I was in > > any way offended by your > > > > statements, it was away from my intent > > and I apologize for that. > > > > English is not my mother tongue, and > > probably the tone of my email > > > > came out harder than I > > wanted. > > > > > > > > Sorry for that and ciao, > > > > > > Marcello > > > > > > -- > > > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila > > Voodoo. > > > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ > > > > > > > > Get your vacation photos on your > > phone! 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