I very much support this policy. A policy should not be retrospectively
applied otherwise anything any of us may do or plan to do can be considered
guaranteed, and I would see a case for requesting APNIC to return funds for
any services provided that have been negated by policy changes.

I also very much object to the 5 year period that snuck in at the last
APNIC meeting. I was happy with 2 years, but 5 years is unreasonable.

I was going to make a submission to change this back to 2 years, but
unfortunately, work got in the way and I did not get the submission in on
time. Next meeting maybe.


...Skeeve

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On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Bertrand Cherrier <b.cherr...@micrologic.nc
> wrote:

> Dear SIG members,
>
> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has
> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
>
> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in
> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.
>
> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
> before the meeting.
>
> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
> express your views on the proposal:
>
>  - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
>  - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
>    tell the community about your situation.
>  - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
>  - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
>  - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
>    effective?
>
> Information about this proposal is available at:
>
>    http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123
>
> Regards
>
> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
>
> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Proposer:        Alex Yang
>                  yang...@126.com
>
>
> 1. Problem statement
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in
> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep
> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8
> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.
>
> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The
> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those
> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to
> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,
> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC
> Whois data.
>
>
> 2. Objective of policy change
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.
>
>
> 3. Situation in other regions
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> No such situation in other regions.
>
>
> 4. Proposed policy solution
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> “Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)
> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment”
> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14
> Sep 2017.
>
>
> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Advantages:
>
> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC
>   Whois data correct.
>
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> None.
>
>
> 6. Impact on resource holders
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources
> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>
>
>
> 7. References
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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