Mike wrote, " I have had all these, and a low silver ion concentration had little or no effect. But as soon as I was able to learn how to dramatically increase the concentration, the healing was immediate."
So you are basing all this on your experience alone? Every body is different. What works for you might not work for someone else and can cause problems for someone else. People on *this* forum have been using CS for years with good effect and now you are telling them it is not working? It is illogical of you to deny their experience. PT -----Original Message----- From: Mike Monett [mailto:armor....@gishpuppy.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Desulfurizing Marshall <mdud...@king-cart.com> wrote: > So you are right, and every reference I can find is wrong. I guess > that is possible, but I have a hard time believing it. Here are > some more: >http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/Solubility_Products.PDF >solubility = 13.3 ppm >http://www.vias.org/genchem/solubility_product_table.html >silver hydroxide AgOH 20C 1.52x10^-8 >http://www.cgcsforum.com/Articles/ColloidalSilverChemistry.html > In this method, free hydroxyl ions (OH^-) in the water initially > react with the positive silver electrode to make silver hydroxide > (AgOH). > Starting with pure water, and pure silver, Silver hydroxide is the > only product that can be initially made. Silver hydroxide is > unstable though and rapidly decomposes to silver oxide Ag_2 O. If > you remember your high school chemistry, the reaction forumula > would be: >2AgOH --> Ag_2 O + H_2 O > http://library.deerfield.edu/pdfs/ChemAgWillbanks.pdf solubility > constant is 1X10^-8, and silver hydroxide silver hydroxide > spontaneously converts to silver oxide (was unable to get text to > copy, so paraphrasing. > There are many more. >Marshall Marshall, thanks for replying. There are several ways this can happen. One author might be talking about some other issue and this comes up as a side topic. He does a quick calculation, and it looks good, so he publishes it without verifying if it is true. A second author might come across it, assume the first author verified it, and he publishes it without verification. And so on. Pretty soon you have five authors all saying the same thing. So it must be correct, right? Maybe and maybe not. They all might just be copying each other. There is so much crud in chemistry - unbalanced equations, missing half of redox equations, and blatantly wrong analysis, you simply have to check everything. As you well know. Frank's solubility calculation that you reference is a typical example. He states: "The method by which one calculates the solubility of a weak electrolyte or a compound of low solubility is to start with the compound and let it dissociate in water" The problem is he assumes silver hydroxide is soluble. But he never did any experiments to see if that was true or not. The calculation doesn't prove AgOH is soluble, it merely assumes that is is and merrily proceeds with the calculation. Marshall, I would really like for you to do the thermal decomposition experiment for silver hydroxide. It is one of the easiest of all to perform, since it occurs at such a low temperature - barely enough to cook hamburger, if you can wait that long:) But there is something magic when you see the black deposit turn gray right in front of your eyes. It reaches somewhere deep down inside and you suddenly realize that what these people are saying could actually harm you. So you begin to wonder what other mistakes they have made, and what is the real truth about what is happening. And that is the key part. I could stand here all day long and tell you, but that won't have any effect. But when that part of you deep down inside sees it happening, everything changes. And that may start a lifelong quest to uncover the truth. Which you already have part of. Marshall, I would really like you to join the SilverCentral forum. I am trying to reach a group of talented individuals who have a passion for colloidal silver. I want to find out why a high silver ion concentration works so much better than a weak solution, and how a 20 parts-per-billion concentration in the blood can be so effective at eliminating all kinds of pathogens, from Herpes Simplex and Zoster, to the worst fungal infections you can imagine in the lungs. I have had all these, and a low silver ion concentration had little or no effect. But as soon as I was able to learn how to dramatically increase the concentration, the healing was immediate. The answers to these questions may not be easy to find, and may take a lot of work with many false paths. But if we can find out what is going on, it could have tremendous benefits. For example, it might be able to help people suffering from Lyme disease, and other major pathogens that are difficult or impossible to treat with conventional methods. Of course, to study high-ionic solutions, you need to be able to make them. I am still struggling with the MiniCell documentation, but I can give you a head start. I have posted the secrets to the SilverCell process on the Yahoo forum. You should have no difficulty duplicating the results. Basically all it is is arranging the proper electrode configuration, with wide U-shape electrodes spaced far apart. One of the problems I had was my U-shape was far too narrow, so it was acting like a point source which put the Nernst Threshold well below my search region. The other is the Nernst Threshold current is extremely sharp. A change of as little as 10% in the cell current will make the difference between not generating any silver hydroxide and starting to make lots of it. But now that I know the threshold really exists, it should be easy to find for any cell configuration, perhaps by using a simple binary search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm There is additional information on the SilverCell process at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/19?l=1 I finally found how to change the settings so anyone can view the archives without having to log in. Hopefully this will make it easier for others to look at the work being done to see if they want to join and be part of it. If you do decide to try the process, and you have any comments, please post them to the forum. It will soon become too unwieldy to try to cover all the different forums, so I will be wrapping things up here very soon and moving over to the new forum. Best Wishes, Mike Monett SilverCentral -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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