In a message dated 9/12/00 7:05:21 AM EST, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Re: Generating "Sputtered" HVAC CS Date: 9/12/00 7:05:21 AM EST From: [email protected] (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Ivan: That old chestnut, Ivan? It can be demonstrated, thermodynamically, > kinetically, and impirically that silver ain't goin to oxidize under these > conditions. Let's go down the impirical road, for example. If I choose to, I > can deposite the silver from the molten ball DIRECTLY to the side of the > Pyrex container which holds the water bath. I've done this, inadvertantly, on > more than one occasion. The deposited silver has a mirror finish. So where is > the oxide? Roger I don't know, maybe there isn't any oxide formation, or perhaps the deposited silver has some oxide content, or perhaps the slow cooling on the side of the vessel aided in oxide decomposition.
Ivan: OK How about doing the following: If deposited silver has dissolved oxide and you're right that it experiences slow cooling on the side of the vessel then it should separate as a separate oxide phase which should be observable under the microscope. I will check for this possibility by re-depositing the silver on a microscope slide. > You may also find that a pulsed DC supply would give you superior results. > > Ivan: Superior to what? I form no nitrates/nitrites. I don't even need to > monitor them (but I still do for added safety), unlike other HVAC CS methods. > My product is as potent at 1 PPM as it is at 5 PPM, and many people who have > used it report excellent results. > > Roger I wasn't really thinking of the formation of other compounds Roger, just noting that the physical stability of the arc would probably benefit from having a shielding gas, which could easily be provided by using a TIG or MIG welding torch to carry your free electrode. Ivan: I'm not a welder so would you please give me some background about a TIG and MIG welding torch. The ability to strike and maintain an arc in an inert atmosphere is far, far easier than in free air. Ivan: My arc is very stabile as long as the distance between the tip of the silver and the water is less that an inch or so (actually, this max distance depends on how far I'm into the run) AND the conductivity of the water does not get too high. As more and more CS is deposited into the water, conductivity continues to rise so I must continue to raise the height of the electrode (it's not much of an inconvenienve since the entire run takes several hours) above the water to compensate. I terminate the run when the electrode must be so high to compensate for the relatively high water conductivity, to produce arc instability. I don't consider this relationship to be a practical problem because I still can generate 30-60 PPM which is much much greater than the concentration I use (I like to use 1-3 PPM CS concentration, and consider anything above that to be wasteful). In any case, would a DC arc help to continue the run if I wanted to make a super potent HVAC CS? I must try a DC arc and see what sort of results can be achieved. Ivan: Good. It took as while, but we finally made you curious enough to "have a go". With your welding experience and more formal biochem training, your observations and suggestions will be quite valuable. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
