Hi, I think this may be the site and the study of which you speak (very interesting I might add)...

http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver/

-James

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness


 I think it was just a mention on some Canadian version of an EPA site
that went into various effects of industrial silver waste on fish and the
environment.
Don't recall exactly.
The conclusion was that silver chloride did kill microbes, just not very
well in comparison to several other forms of silver

ode

At 07:01 AM 11/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
From: Ode Coyote
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:15:00
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74929.html

 > A study  I read a while back stated that silver chloride  in vitro
 > has about  1/10th the killing power of ionic  silver.  The killing
 > power of particulate silver depends on the available surface area.

 > Ode

 Ken, can you remember the url? The reports I have come across stated
 silver chloride  is  300 to 3,500 times  less  effective  than ionic
 silver.

 These studies  were  done a while ago, so the quality  of  the ionic
 silver may be very much in doubt. For example, your Silverpuppy will
 produce at least 22 ppm cs, whereas a 3 nines may only reach 5 to 10
 ppm depending on the wetted area. Jason's 4 nines is probably  a bit
 less due to the faster current rise with the higher voltage.

 Best case,  comparing  5  ppm ionic silver to your  22  ppm  cs, the
 figures on silver chloride should be multiplied by 22 / 5 =  4.4, so
 the 3,500 figure may actually be 15,400 times less effective.

 A very  big  problem  with these  reports  is  comparing  apples and
 oranges. How do you ensure you have equal amounts of silver ions and
 silver chloride  particles? Silver chloride is somewhat  soluble, so
 how do  you  state   the   effectiveness  of  a  partially dissolved
 substance?

 I don't  think   silver   chloride   gained   much  popularity  as a
 disinfectant, since I believe it was much less effective  than other
 forms of silver such as silver nitrate.

 In our case, perhaps it might be worth doing a simple milk test with
 your known good ionic cs as the reference.

 And, perhaps  some samples of high particulate cs  just  for laughs.
 Marv Hacker  did  one with Mezosilver, I'll see if  I  can  find the
 link.

Best Wishes,

Mike Monett


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