Hi! You're entitled to your opinion, Gordan, as regards keeping up with the times, but I think I have the right to reply to what you're saying. Although this reply is off topic because it doesn't totally concern Skype, I hope it will be posted on the list, because perhaps other list members will be more understanding of my point of view than you are. For a start, if I decide to upgrade JAWS, the most recent version of JAWS available in France is JAWS 9, not JAWS 10. And JAWS 9 costs 1000 euros here, way beyond what I can afford, unless I apply for financial help, which is a long and sometimes difficult process here. I am well aware that some JAWS users get cracked versions of this program, but that is something I definitely don't want to do, because this is, quite frankly, illegal. Secondly, my motto as regards technology is: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". In other words, I feel that, while a program continues to work, there is no urgent need to update it just because a new one has come out. OK, I install new Skype updates when they are released, but that's because they continue to work for me, and if that ceases to be the case then I'll stop upgrading. I have already stopped upgrading Internet Explorer, version 8 of which won't even work with JAWS 9, as some friends have told me. And whether programs stay compatible or not, I think that each person has the right to choose whether they want to upgrade or stay with the version they're used to of a program, whether it's Skype or anything else. I am grateful to Doug that he still makes his JAWS scripts for Skype compatible with JAWS 6, and I hope that will continue for some time yet, since I'm probably not the only JAWS 6 user out there who also uses Skype and the scripts. I also hope that the "got-to-have-the-newest-stuff" brigade don't waste thread space on this list by giving me a grilling about my point of view on this subject, but I'm as entitled to my opinion as they are to theirs. Now let's drop the subject of old versus new, please, and get back to the subject of Skype! Bye for now, and happy skyping, however old or new your Skype and your screenreader are! >From Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordan Radic" <[email protected]> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws
> > Hi, Clare! > I'd like to point out a few things and maybe I'll go a bit off topic here. > The last version of Jaws out there is third or fourth build of 10.0 and > it's very functional. I wouldn't know your reasons to stick with version > 6.x but I know from my experience that there are many problems with older > versions of Jaws using the web and following the everyday applications > progress. > If the reason for not upgrading your version of Jaws is the financial one, > I believe you as anyone else know that this could be solved in other ways. > Problem is that Doug can't fully concentrate on creating and fixing the > current version of scripts if he has to deal with compatibility issues > with older versions of Jaws and find the ways how will things work in all > the supported versions and be the unique set of scripts in the same time. > I'm also against the integration of scripts into the Jaws installation but > some of us should give Doug a break with specific and special needs. The > man does a really wonderful job in his own time besides his daily work and > my humble opinion is that we all should allow him to create one solid and > stable scripts version without tails for five or more years old versions > of Jaws. > One thing I learn using the computers is that we should follow their > progress. There's always a point when we need to stop using Windows 98 and > install XP, change our Jaws from 6, 7 or 8 with 10. If we stay behing > technology, it won't wait for us. Making a change sometimes can be hard > and there's a period of adjusting to the new environment but nobody died > from it, as far as I know:). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clare Page" <clare.page at wanadoo.fr> > To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws > > >> Hi Doug! >> As a user of a relatively old version of JAWS, namely 6.20, I am not >> personally in favour of Skype scripts being added to new versions of >> JAWS, especially if you're right that this would mean that there would >> then no longer be scripts for older versions of JAWS. I'm happy with the >> situation as it is now: but please don't stop making the scripts usable >> with JAWS 6, otherwise I would not be a happy bunny! >> Thanks very much for doing all these scrips: if it wasn't for you, I >> might have still been using 3.8 right now, since I found Skype 4 very >> hard to use without the JAWS scripts. Keep up the good work! >> Bye for now! >>>From Clare >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org> >> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws >> >> >>> >>> This idea works to a point, but there are also problems with it. I've >>> outlined the ones I see in previous messages on this list, but here >>> are some: >>> >>> Skype updates sometimes happen faster than JAWS updates, so there >>> would still be a need to have script updates before JAWS updates >>> sometimes. >>> >>> The Skype scripts now support older JAWS versions as an ongoing goal, >>> but if the Skype scripts became part of JAWS itself, I think support >>> for new Skype versions would stop extending to older JAWS versions. >>> >>> Then there's a technical point--fixable, but currently an issue: Some >>> of the current Skype script code may only work if the Skype scripts >>> are in the JAWS user folder, but JAWS default scripts go in the JAWS >>> shared folder. I have not actually tested the Skype scripts in the >>> shared folder. >>> >>> All that said though, there are enough plusses to incorporating Skype >>> scripts into JAWS to make it worth considering carefully: SkypeWatch >>> would certainly be easier to install. :) JAWS would work with Skype >>> out of the box. JAWS developers might more closely see any issues >>> between Skype and JAWS itself and be able to fix them in JAWS. >>> >>> Over all though, I still support the idea of having a separate script >>> set for Skype that is not part of JAWS. I did once consider trying to >>> get the scripts made into a Skype Extra, but as the scripts are needed >>> in order to access the Skype Extras Manager, that ended up looking >>> more like a chicken and an egg than a problem and a solution. :) >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:43:10PM +0100, alex thynne wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific bundle the skype scripts with new >>> versions of jaws. In fact, I even go so far as to say that freedom >>> needs to >>> look at its updates technology so that skype set scripts can be updated >>> from >>> an update centre of some sort. I know it is quite possible for users of >>> hal >>> to update maps so they can have the very latest ones on their computers, >>> so >>> why not Freedom. So many blind users of jaws download skype, I would >>> personally like to see Doug's work reflected in what is bundled with the >>> jaws product. It would therefore follow that other script developers' >>> products could be downloaded from the one place on the update centre >>> idea I >>> have. The scripts for skype are so good that I think it should be made >>> even >>> easier to get them. Is this feasible? I'll only post this one email as >>> I >>> don't want to end up going into a topic of freedom's policy on what is >>> bundled with jaws, but I think the point is valid enough for the idea to >>> be >>> explored. If everyone bombards freedom with a request for doug's >>> scripts to >>> be incorporated into the package, eventually, freedom will have to >>> listen to >>> the skype community who use Doug's scripts. >>> >>> Alex >>> klango ID: alex-thynne >>> skype name: grytpype2006 >>> windows live messenger name: alex.thynne at hotmail.co.uk >>> >>> >>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >>> latest version of skype go to >>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org http://www.dlee.org >>> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com >>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >>> "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was >>> done." --Helen Keller >>> >>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >>> latest version of skype go to >>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
