I agree Jimbo here. Clare feel free to add me. My Skype name is jimbo19708055 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <[email protected]> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws
> Hi! > You're entitled to your opinion, Gordan, as regards keeping up with the > times, but I think I have the right to reply to what you're saying. > Although this reply is off topic because it doesn't totally concern Skype, > I hope it will be posted on the list, because perhaps other list members > will be more understanding of my point of view than you are. > For a start, if I decide to upgrade JAWS, the most recent version of JAWS > available in France is JAWS 9, not JAWS 10. And JAWS 9 costs 1000 euros > here, way beyond what I can afford, unless I apply for financial help, > which is a long and sometimes difficult process here. I am well aware that > some JAWS users get cracked versions of this program, but that is > something I definitely don't want to do, because this is, quite frankly, > illegal. > Secondly, my motto as regards technology is: "If it ain't broke, don't fix > it". In other words, I feel that, while a program continues to work, there > is no urgent need to update it just because a new one has come out. OK, I > install new Skype updates when they are released, but that's because they > continue to work for me, and if that ceases to be the case then I'll stop > upgrading. I have already stopped upgrading Internet Explorer, version 8 > of which won't even work with JAWS 9, as some friends have told me. And > whether programs stay compatible or not, I think that each person has the > right to choose whether they want to upgrade or stay with the version > they're used to of a program, whether it's Skype or anything else. > I am grateful to Doug that he still makes his JAWS scripts for Skype > compatible with JAWS 6, and I hope that will continue for some time yet, > since I'm probably not the only JAWS 6 user out there who also uses Skype > and the scripts. > I also hope that the "got-to-have-the-newest-stuff" brigade don't waste > thread space on this list by giving me a grilling about my point of view > on this subject, but I'm as entitled to my opinion as they are to theirs. > Now let's drop the subject of old versus new, please, and get back to the > subject of Skype! > Bye for now, and happy skyping, however old or new your Skype and your > screenreader are! >>From Clare > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordan Radic" <gordan.radic at gmail.com> > To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws > > >> >> Hi, Clare! >> I'd like to point out a few things and maybe I'll go a bit off topic >> here. >> The last version of Jaws out there is third or fourth build of 10.0 and >> it's very functional. I wouldn't know your reasons to stick with version >> 6.x but I know from my experience that there are many problems with older >> versions of Jaws using the web and following the everyday applications >> progress. >> If the reason for not upgrading your version of Jaws is the financial >> one, I believe you as anyone else know that this could be solved in other >> ways. >> Problem is that Doug can't fully concentrate on creating and fixing the >> current version of scripts if he has to deal with compatibility issues >> with older versions of Jaws and find the ways how will things work in all >> the supported versions and be the unique set of scripts in the same time. >> I'm also against the integration of scripts into the Jaws installation >> but some of us should give Doug a break with specific and special needs. >> The man does a really wonderful job in his own time besides his daily >> work and my humble opinion is that we all should allow him to create one >> solid and stable scripts version without tails for five or more years old >> versions of Jaws. >> One thing I learn using the computers is that we should follow their >> progress. There's always a point when we need to stop using Windows 98 >> and install XP, change our Jaws from 6, 7 or 8 with 10. If we stay behing >> technology, it won't wait for us. Making a change sometimes can be hard >> and there's a period of adjusting to the new environment but nobody died >> from it, as far as I know:). >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clare Page" <clare.page at wanadoo.fr> >> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws >> >> >>> Hi Doug! >>> As a user of a relatively old version of JAWS, namely 6.20, I am not >>> personally in favour of Skype scripts being added to new versions of >>> JAWS, especially if you're right that this would mean that there would >>> then no longer be scripts for older versions of JAWS. I'm happy with the >>> situation as it is now: but please don't stop making the scripts usable >>> with JAWS 6, otherwise I would not be a happy bunny! >>> Thanks very much for doing all these scrips: if it wasn't for you, I >>> might have still been using 3.8 right now, since I found Skype 4 very >>> hard to use without the JAWS scripts. Keep up the good work! >>> Bye for now! >>>>From Clare >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org> >>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] idea for skype scripts and jaws >>> >>> >>>> >>>> This idea works to a point, but there are also problems with it. I've >>>> outlined the ones I see in previous messages on this list, but here >>>> are some: >>>> >>>> Skype updates sometimes happen faster than JAWS updates, so there >>>> would still be a need to have script updates before JAWS updates >>>> sometimes. >>>> >>>> The Skype scripts now support older JAWS versions as an ongoing goal, >>>> but if the Skype scripts became part of JAWS itself, I think support >>>> for new Skype versions would stop extending to older JAWS versions. >>>> >>>> Then there's a technical point--fixable, but currently an issue: Some >>>> of the current Skype script code may only work if the Skype scripts >>>> are in the JAWS user folder, but JAWS default scripts go in the JAWS >>>> shared folder. I have not actually tested the Skype scripts in the >>>> shared folder. >>>> >>>> All that said though, there are enough plusses to incorporating Skype >>>> scripts into JAWS to make it worth considering carefully: SkypeWatch >>>> would certainly be easier to install. :) JAWS would work with Skype >>>> out of the box. JAWS developers might more closely see any issues >>>> between Skype and JAWS itself and be able to fix them in JAWS. >>>> >>>> Over all though, I still support the idea of having a separate script >>>> set for Skype that is not part of JAWS. I did once consider trying to >>>> get the scripts made into a Skype Extra, but as the scripts are needed >>>> in order to access the Skype Extras Manager, that ended up looking >>>> more like a chicken and an egg than a problem and a solution. :) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:43:10PM +0100, alex thynne wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific bundle the skype scripts with >>>> new >>>> versions of jaws. In fact, I even go so far as to say that freedom >>>> needs to >>>> look at its updates technology so that skype set scripts can be updated >>>> from >>>> an update centre of some sort. I know it is quite possible for users >>>> of hal >>>> to update maps so they can have the very latest ones on their >>>> computers, so >>>> why not Freedom. So many blind users of jaws download skype, I would >>>> personally like to see Doug's work reflected in what is bundled with >>>> the >>>> jaws product. It would therefore follow that other script developers' >>>> products could be downloaded from the one place on the update centre >>>> idea I >>>> have. The scripts for skype are so good that I think it should be made >>>> even >>>> easier to get them. Is this feasible? I'll only post this one email >>>> as I >>>> don't want to end up going into a topic of freedom's policy on what is >>>> bundled with jaws, but I think the point is valid enough for the idea >>>> to be >>>> explored. If everyone bombards freedom with a request for doug's >>>> scripts to >>>> be incorporated into the package, eventually, freedom will have to >>>> listen to >>>> the skype community who use Doug's scripts. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> klango ID: alex-thynne >>>> skype name: grytpype2006 >>>> windows live messenger name: alex.thynne at hotmail.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>>> the latest version of skype go to >>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org >>>> http://www.dlee.org >>>> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com >>>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >>>> "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was >>>> done." --Helen Keller >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>>> the latest version of skype go to >>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >>> latest version of skype go to >>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> > > > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
