Hello Scott, Now now, is it really THAT bad?
Thursday, July 17, 2003, 5:19:15 PM, you wrote: SD> Return-Path: <> SD> Received: from [66.150.163.162] (HELO m5) SD> by spamarrest.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) SD> with ESMTP id 10135473 for cbunting; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:23:13 -0700 SD> Received: from part-15.org ([198.63.203.3]) SD> by mail.fission2.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id CPA74271 SD> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:55 -0400 SD> Received: from mail2.globalmtn.com [208.252.231.7] by pdqlink.com with ESMTP SD> (SMTPD32-4.07) id A4A94A20132; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:27:05 CDT SD> Received: from 127.0.0.1 (mail2.globalmtn.com [127.0.0.1]) SD> by global.mail.domain (PT109 Internet Mail) with SMTP id B4CF3C848E SD> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:32:18 -0700 (MST) SD> Received: from gmwks02 (u572.globalmtn.com [208.252.231.35]) SD> by mail2.globalmtn.com (PT109 Internet Mail) with ESMTP id 3B5D8C8419 SD> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:32:18 -0700 (MST) SD> From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:19:15 -0700 SD> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD> MIME-Version: 1.0 SD> Content-Type: text/plain; SD> charset="us-ascii" SD> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SD> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) SD> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal SD> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 SD> Importance: Normal SD> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 SD> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL SD> Precedence: bulk SD> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD> WOW! That is gonna be a bummer. Hope all works for you. SD> Scott SD> -----Original Message----- SD> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lancaster Networks SD> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:09 PM SD> To: Scott Damron SD> Subject: Re[6]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL SD> Hello Scott, SD> Yep ADSL with PPTP... unfortunately that's how our ISP works, and since SD> they are behind funding this, no say in the matter SD> Thursday, July 17, 2003, 4:38:57 PM, you wrote: SD>> Return-Path: <> SD>> Received: from [66.150.163.162] (HELO m5) SD>> by spamarrest.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) SD>> with ESMTP id 10132049 for cbunting; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:41:11 SD>> -0700 SD>> Received: from part-15.org ([198.63.203.3]) SD>> by mail.fission2.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id CPA74271 SD>> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:40:31 SD> -0400 SD>> Received: from mail2.globalmtn.com [208.252.231.7] by pdqlink.com SD> with ESMTP SD>> (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB344710132; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:46:44 CDT SD>> Received: from 127.0.0.1 (mail2.globalmtn.com [127.0.0.1]) SD>> by global.mail.domain (PT109 Internet Mail) with SMTP id SD> 63E99C8499 SD>> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:52:00 SD> -0700 (MST) SD>> Received: from gmwks02 (u572.globalmtn.com [208.252.231.35]) SD>> by mail2.globalmtn.com (PT109 Internet Mail) with ESMTP id SD> D8C52C8545 SD>> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:51:59 SD> -0700 (MST) SD>> From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:38:57 -0700 SD>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD>> MIME-Version: 1.0 SD>> Content-Type: text/plain; SD>> charset="US-ASCII" SD>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SD>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) SD>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal SD>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 SD>> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SD>> Importance: Normal SD>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 SD>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL SD>> Precedence: bulk SD>> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD>> What are you using PPTP for your backhaul for?? Is it ADSL or SD>> something?!?!? SD>> Scott SD>> -----Original Message----- SD>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SD>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lancaster SD>> Networks SD>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:21 PM SD>> To: phantam SD>> Subject: Re[4]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL SD>> It's a brand new 300 foot tower in the middle of suburbia that we SD>> have, so no problems with hills, its LOS to a huge amount of SD>> residential neighborhoods and also businesses. I plan on using this SD>> as my hub for backbone and possibly putting some remote sites in SD>> lower areas for concentrated coverage. SD>> Despite the few things I've seen on this list about failure, I think SD>> I'm still going to invest in Smartbridge as of now, as they seem to SD>> offer the best slew of features (POE, Tough enclosures, etc) for the SD>> money. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to skimp on the money part, SD>> but I don't want to spend more than I'll make in 3 years. SD>> The ISP we are using for data pipes uses PPTP, does anyone see any SD>> problems using PPTP for authentication over the wireless? SD>> I picture using a subscriber unit with a regular ethernet router SD>> that will authenticate using PPTP and all should be good to get back SD>> to the PPTP server at the ISP's head-end. SD>> Thursday, July 17, 2003, 4:02:16 PM, you wrote: p>>> Return-Path: <> p>>> Received: from [66.150.163.162] (HELO m5) p>>> by spamarrest.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) p>>> with ESMTP id 10129227 for cbunting; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:04:26 p>>> -0700 p>>> Received: from part-15.org ([198.63.203.3]) p>>> by mail.fission2.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id CPA74271 p>>> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:04:18 SD>> -0400 p>>> Received: from ni1.networkidl.net [64.124.106.5] by pdqlink.com with SD>> ESMTP p>>> (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2AE570012C; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:10:22 CDT p>>> Received: by ni1.networkidl.net with Internet Mail Service SD>> (5.5.2653.19) p>>> id <PBSA07C9>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:02:16 -0400 p>>> Message-ID: SD>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> p>>> From: phantam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> p>>> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> p>>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:02:16 -0400 p>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 p>>> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) p>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; p>>> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34C9E.51FA7CA0" p>>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL p>>> Precedence: bulk p>>> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Depends where you get the antennas from check the specs the hypers p>>> seem to stretch the 120 and 180's plus the hyper's are 20db instead p>>> of 13 but there quite more expensive, there 90's are actually the p>>> same as there 120's with more spread... Please note BE VERY CAREFUL p>>> WITH SELECTING ANTENNAS if your shooting in a valley or if there are p>>> hills around or big buildings try to avoid spreading a beam that SD> will p>>> hit them and reflect back, reflected signal can cause your entire p>>> radio to misbehave and have noisey layers. p>>> Chris p>>> -----Original Message----- p>>> From: Tom Haynes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:35 PM p>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Actually, a 13db 90* sector means that right in front of the antenna p>>> will have 13db gain and 45* to either side of center will have 10db p>>> gain (90* is the -3db beam). The antenna actually has coverage to p>>> 120*. A 120* antanna will cover to ~150*. Now none of this matters SD> if p>>> you use three different radios on three different channels. The only p>>> time it is important is when you use 1 radio with a 3 way splitter. p>>> -----Original Message----- p>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce p>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:27 PM p>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL p>>> are you planning on using one radio or three radios ? best to ask on p>>> the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for using one radio cause there are a few p>>> people doing that, but three radios using dsss you can use three p>>> channels. But if three p>>> 120* sectors have overlap then two 180*'s do also, but I believe the SD>> db p>>> level to be lower at the end lobes and shouldn't be a problem, three SD>> 90*'s p>>> unless they are over will have null spots p>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- p>>> From: Lancaster Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> p>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p>>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:04:25 -0400 >>>>Hello Tom, >>>> >>>>Can anyone point me to the source of this information? I'm in the >>>>purchasing phase right now, and was planning on (3) 120's, but would >>>>the 90's be wiser? >>>> >>>>Thursday, July 17, 2003, 2:18:36 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>>TH> Return-Path: <> >>>>TH> Received: from [66.150.163.162] (HELO m5) >>>>TH> by spamarrest.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) >>>>TH> with ESMTP id 10120957 for cbunting; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:24:46 >>>>TH> -0700 >>>>TH> Received: from part-15.org ([198.63.203.3]) >>>>TH> by mail.fission2.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id CPA74271 >>>>TH> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 SD>> 14:24:17 p>>> -0400 >>>>TH> Received: from mail.lightbound.com [66.209.224.11] by pdqlink.com >>>>TH> with p>>> ESMTP >>>>TH> (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB3F3D70152; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:30:23 CDT >>>>TH> Received: from laptop (shvl-cbl-233-134.lightbound.com p>>> [66.209.233.134]) >>>>TH> by mail.lightbound.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9153C915C4 >>>>TH> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:09:10 >>>>TH> -0500 p>>> (EST) >>>>TH> From: "Tom Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>TH> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>TH> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:18:36 -0500 >>>>TH> Organization: Hope Wireless >>>>TH> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>TH> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>TH> Content-Type: text/plain; >>>>TH> charset="US-ASCII" >>>>TH> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>TH> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>>>TH> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>TH> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 >>>>TH> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 >>>>TH> In-Reply-To: SD> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>TH> Importance: Normal >>>>TH> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL >>>>TH> Precedence: bulk >>>>TH> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>TH> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>TH> Read up on sectors if you have not yet. Using 3 120* created a SD> lot >>>>TH> more overlap than you think and can cause strange thinkg to SD> happen >>>>TH> to your signal pattern. I believe that Scott recommends 3 90* >>>>TH> sectors for 360* coverage, but you would have to ask Scott to be >>>>TH> sure. >>>> >>>>TH> -----Original Message----- >>>>TH> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>TH> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>TH> On Behalf Of Dan Petermann >>>>TH> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:34 AM >>>>TH> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>TH> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL >>>> >>>> >>>>TH> That is what I thought. I've been looking at setting up 120 SD> degree >>>>TH> sectors. I like the high gain but the vertical beam width is just >>>>TH> too narrow. 6.5 degrees! Or is it 13? (+/- 6.5) >>>> >>>>TH> I'm looking at getting the Maxrad MS024014PTNF (sectorized omni). >>>>TH> Has anyone used these? Any horror stories to be aware of? >>>> >>>>TH> This will be my first sectorized site so I'm hoping for great >>>>TH> things. >>>> >>>>TH> Dan Petermann >>>>TH> Wyoming.com >>>> >>>>TH> At 09:05 AM 7/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>With that small of a VBW ? Are you far away from your clients ? >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>>>From: phantam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:02:17 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> >That's what I have just got done installing 6 of them :) and 2 >>>>>> >180's >>>>>> > >>>>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>>>> >From: Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:00 PM >>>>>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Check this one out. Note that they also have a 90deg. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >http://hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2420p_120.php >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:46 AM >>>>>> >Subject: RE: [smartBridges] AirPointPRO TOTAL >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> > Think about it for a sec. It comes with a 13db antenna. We've >>>>>> >> > been mentioning throughout different threads that SB is >>>>>> >> > mistakenly limiting everything for FCC territory to a max of >>>>>> >> > 30db instead of the allowed 36db so 17.5db max radio output >>>>>> >> > minus 0.5db for some kind of internal pigtail plus 13db is >>>>>> >> > 30db. That's 1/4 of the power you are allowed to use. You SD> wont >>>>>> >> > get anywhere with that. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Kevin Summers >>>>>> >> > KISTech Internet Services Inc. >>>>>> >> > www.kistech.com >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I was contacted by someone who claims to have a 21dB sectored >>>>>> >> antenna. I'm interested. The fool thing is 72" tall (2 >>>>>> >> meters!!!) and about 6" wide. 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