Tim You may want to ask your re seller about an upgrade price to a suite. I got a good price ( i thought) for upgrading to the Maya/ Soft suite last year and at least for last year I was able to keep soft subscription price. I will see what I get hit with in August. J
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Eugen Sares <[email protected]> wrote: > Blender will reach critical mass sooner than later. > No way to stop Blender devs from "going for gold". People's nature is > freedom, and they will get it, one way or the other. > Freedom of having to buy expensive software, freedom to choose which tools > to introduce and how they work, freedom to get involved in development > yourself at any level, if you want to. > > I personally am sick of this secretiveness with commercial software. And > the reason is simply some quirky law situation deeply rooted in pure > capitalistic thinking. > > What does AD do? Raise the prices... > A risky gamble. Get too expensive, and you will loose your (potential) > customers. > Softimage is not in a position to loose any, as I see it. > > > > On Fri, 04 May 2012 11:15:28 +0200, Rob Wuijster <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think that sums up most of us freelancers. >> With the economy as it is now, it's hard to justify all the subscription >> fees. >> Not just the AD ones. >> >> It's funny though that the name Blender is popping up quite a lot these >> days. >> >> >> Rob >> >> \/-------------\/-------------**---\/ >> >> >> On 4-5-2012 10:16, Fabian Schnuer Gohde wrote: >> >>> I'm a freelancer with a network lic and I've followed this thread. >>> I've contacted my reseller and am awaiting reply what the total will >>> be this year here (Norway). I think with last year's hike it came to >>> almost the price of houdini escape, if it's gone up again I'm probably >>> not able continuing with XSI since I have no interest or use for the >>> other two dinosaurs in adsk's stable and I'm not having asdk >>> strong-arm me into a suite that offers nothing I need. Modo looks >>> nice, Blender is looking good these days and 1x Houdini Escape gives >>> you unlimited Mantra render tokens also a Silo lic is like $150 and >>> can be a modeler to use alongside Houdini (Houdini modeling sucks if >>> you're not doing stair cases). So plenty of options. We'll see what >>> the reseller has to say, until then I'll not lose sleep over this. >>> -Fabian >>> >>> >>> On 4 May 2012 00:48, Matt Morris <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm surprised there aren't more angry people out there, given this >>> is a European issue. I suppose the larger companies will actually >>> save money through getting the soft/maya suites and amalgamating >>> their software licences, but the freelancers out there must be >>> feeling the pinch? A lot of people just use company home licences >>> I guess? >>> >>> I didn't know about modo's 50 render licences, it's definitely >>> worth keeping an eye on, along with the alembic integration. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 May 2012 23:52, Sven Constable <[email protected] >>> <mailto:sixsi_list@imagefront.**de <[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> hm, the render licencing is sweet. I have real problems >>> rendering larger jobs with the mr/softimage licensing >>> situation. Not because of mr itself, its renders everything I >>> throw at it and fast enough. But the scalability with a >>> renderfarm is a problem for me. Mentalray standalone is no >>> option and 5 batchrender licences shipped with XSI is simply >>> not enough. I will stay to softimage for a lot of reasons >>> but,… the rendering side is awful. When I look over to the >>> 3dsmax based studios I could cry. Did they still have >>> unlimitedrenderlicenses™ for mentalray? Ah lucky guys, those >>> cockroachers, ay! >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> sven >>> >>> >>> *From:*softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> >>> <mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> >>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> >>> <mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]>>] >>> *On Behalf >>> Of *Thomas Helzle >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2012 23:51 >>> *To:* >>> [email protected].**com<[email protected]> >>> >>> <mailto:softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: uk subscription pricing >>> >>> >>> I would subscribe to what Tim said. >>> >>> Some things are different (often in a good way, sometimes >>> not), some things need a bit of refinement (601 is the first >>> release with real CA tools), so it really depends on what you >>> do if it could fit your bill. >>> >>> With me doing mainly illustrations and stills, there is little >>> to complain about and I actually look forward to digging >>> deeper into the CA tools - the available tools like full body >>> IK and the posing system are pretty sweet IMO. >>> >>> As for the rendering, it replaces MR, Vray and some >>> Schwarzeneggers quite nicely IMO. Together with Thea Render >>> for unbiased, I'm all set when it comes to rendering. >>> >>> If you take the price of the package into the equation (that >>> includes 50 render nodes), I don't see much else that can >>> compete (other than Blender). >>> >>> But yes, it is NOT XSI, which in some areas I find pretty >>> relaxing - many things in XSI are overkill for what I do and >>> others are broken for so long, it's not even funny anymore. >>> >>> BTW. there is now a more complete SDK to go with the app. >>> >>> I already wrote my first shader in one long 24 hour run of >>> coding and GUI wrangling (XML based). >>> >>> I enjoy learning something new actually and my XSI 2012 will >>> be good for some years as a companion app. 2013 contained >>> nothing I want anyway. >>> >>> But I threw that into the discussion mainly since I don't see >>> Autodesk making any sensible moves in this century and for >>> some people, modo could be a way out of it's stifling embrace... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On 2 May 2012 21:26, Tim Crowson >>> <tim.crowson@magneticdreams.**com<[email protected]> >>> >>> <mailto:tim.crowson@**magneticdreams.com<[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The deformation system in modo 601 is very powerful. The >>> actual animation tools (animation editor) in 601 are not yet >>> on par with what you get in something like Softimage, although >>> they let you get the job done. The developers realize this. >>> >>> The alembic support is there, but is not ready for the riggors >>> of a production pipeline. The developers are aware of this also. >>> >>> There are some stability issues with 601 (although SI 2012 has >>> taken the gold medal in crashes for me lately), and Luxology >>> is quite driven to get rid of those and make it very reliable. >>> They're aware of the areas in which their software needs to >>> grow, and are pretty passionate about getting it there. >>> >>> As for the renderer, it's hard to not gush a little. The thing >>> is sweet. Smokes Mental Ray consistently. I'd sooner put it >>> toe-to-toe with Arnold than anything else. That would be an >>> interesting comparision. If Alembic support in 601 gets where >>> it needs to be, I could see modo being used to render more >>> productions. >>> >>> Modo 601 can do an awful lot that you might not expect. It has >>> its own way of doing things (render passes are very >>> different!). But is a very useful tool to have access to. >>> >>> *Tim Crowson >>> */Lead CG Artist/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc. >>> *2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214 >>> *Ph* 615.885.6801 <tel:615.885.6801> | *Fax* 615.889.4768 >>> <tel:615.889.4768> | www.magneticdreams.com >>> <http://www.magneticdreams.com**> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> <mailto:tim.crowson@**magneticdreams.com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/2/2012 1:38 PM, phil harbath wrote: >>> >>> do you have any thoughts on the character animation tools, >>> they don't seem to be "there" yet, however, I haven't had the >>> opportunity to use it yet. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:*Thomas Helzle <mailto:[email protected]**> >>> >>> >>> *To:*softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> >>> <mailto:softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> >>> *Sent:*Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:36 AM >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: uk subscription pricing >>> >>> >>> Have a look at modo 601. >>> >>> Depending on what you do, it might be a nice alternative >>> (it is for me, I'm no longer on subscription as well - >>> partly because of the price increase). >>> >>> You can import ICE particles via realflow .bin and alembic >>> is built in (didn't test that one really though). >>> >>> The renderer is brilliant, and while the layer based >>> approach has some cons compared to nodes, it also has some >>> things that are impossible to do in MRay out of the box >>> like instancing of materials and textures. >>> >>> I already start to really dig it and would prefer it over >>> MR in most cases. For me, the alternative would have been >>> to buy Vray for XSI. >>> >>> Modo is actively developed in all areas (SP1 came out >>> yesterday) and the community is very open and welcoming. >>> >>> The main thing I miss is the modifier stack for modelling, >>> but I still have XSI 2012 if I should need it badly. >>> >>> With all the things that may be missing, you also get a >>> load of nice and well though out things not available in >>> XSI to this date: you even have a color palette (yay ;-) >>> ), great tools for measuring and exact work, it comes with >>> a nice library of USABLE presets, and it's way more >>> tailored to the small shop or freelancer without a herd of >>> TDs. >>> >>> I bought it while the crossgrade offer was still on, so it >>> was way cheaper than another year of subscription for XSI >>> would have been. >>> >>> Overall, 601 is the first version of modo that I >>> personally would call pretty "feature complete" as a >>> package... >>> >>> The demoversion is said to be out end of this or beginning >>> of next week. >>> >>> May be an alternative for you, may be not. >>> >>> For me it is pretty much the only alternative, since >>> Lightwave still has a way to go (although v11 is pretty >>> good) and Cinema doesn't agree with me... >>> >>> I keep a very open eye on Blender though. >>> >>> http://www.luxology.com/ >>> >>> Otherwise I think Raffaele nailed it. And I'm not >>> interested in making Shareholders happy if they don't make >>> me happy in return ;-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> That's because they want you to buy the suites, >>> instead of being on one of the smaller products. That >>> way they can make "new seat" money, look good in front >>> of the board of directors, and present figures that >>> (artificially so) suggest their market isn't >>> completely stagnant and deadlocked. >>> >>> >>> >>> The joys of being out in the stock market and having >>> to grow in revenue and potential revenue every >>> quarter, or suffer an onslaught of sales and stock >>> depreciation. >>> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Daniel Sweeney >>> <[email protected] >>> >>> <mailto:danielbsweeney@gmail.**com<[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> yeh I have not renewed my subs either because of this >>> as i cannot justify the increase. >>> >>> bit of a joke. a friend said its pretty much the same >>> price for the bottom subs of the creation suite. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel Sweeney >>> 3D Generalist >>> >>> *Mobile:*+44 (0)7743429771 <tel:%2B44%20%280%** >>> 297743429771> >>> *Email:*Danielbsweeney@gmail.**com<[email protected]> >>> <mailto:danielbsweeney@gmail.**com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> <http://northforge.co.uk/> >>> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Morris >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I remember bringing this up a while back, talking >>> about the lack of a silver subscription and an >>> imminent uk price jump. I believe Maurice replied to >>> say they were looking into it. However, since then it >>> appears its been basically shelved because softimage >>> customers are mostly on subscription and it could mean >>> a revenue drop. >>> >>> So that leaves UK customers with a 70% price increase >>> from last year's subscription. 70%!!! That's a huge >>> amount, and will directly lead to me cancelling my >>> second licence (which was only used periodically) and >>> thinking hard about renewing the other. Given that >>> commercials have had budgets slashed I just can't >>> justify spending that much on a yearly basis. Its a >>> shocking decision. Way to go Autodesk. >>> >>> -- >>> www.matinai.com <http://www.matinai.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Our users will know fear and cower before our >>> software! Ship it! 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