It would be nice to see the next-gen Softmayahybrid leaning towards something 
like VRay.

It is also mature and available for all 3 DCC apps, too.

Pretty much all jobs I had the last two, three years were VRay based.

Maybe a random Arnold job but really, regardless of DCC app, usually VRay as 
the renderer.

Here at home, I am very happy with Redshift3D and would love to see them prosper
but they aren´t in a 3DSMax branch of development, yet.

For the sake of this rant, I can´t therefore suggest Arnold or Redshift3d as 
alternatives.
One would want to differ a lot between those two anyway, in my personal 
preference
I´d lean towards Redshift3D but that´s because I also like those guys and the 
renderer fits
my needs perfectly. I don´t do a FX TD kind of stuff. I model things and paint 
them until
they start to look nice in let´s say a turntable. Arnold would suit me just as 
fine. As would Vray.

It´s just that mR costs me so much time getting a half decent results. 
Vray/Redshift3D pay for themselves...

I´m only using mR because I need versatile, accessible stand-alone assets with 
their maps in place.

I wouldn´t want to touch mR with a stick anymore otherwise.

tim




On 06.01.2014 13:34, Sven Constable wrote:
Maybe true but one thing to keep in mind is you don't have to spend extra money 
for mental ray (at least no significant amount). For one man shows like me mr 
is still useful. I use it on a small farm with 8 nodes plus the workstation. 
Switching to arnold will cost me 9000€ . Thats roughly the same cost that my 
whole DCC apps are about. I see mr like I see the FXTree...it's does not 
compete to nuke but it's integrated in soft and already there.  I agree that 
there aren't any reasons to stay with mr except the the expense factor and 
legacy things.

sven

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From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Leydecker
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Now while we are at it.

I´m currently preparing assets that need to be free of 3rd party functionality.

This means I have to set them up with a mR shading network to start folks off 
with.

mental ray. The common thing between 3DSMax, Maya and Softimage.

Please.

Kill it.

It´s not getting anyone anywhere anymore. I don´t want to discuss details or 
legacy reasons.

Kill it. It´s over. It won´t come back.

Selling three different DCC apps that actually share the fact that you will 
first have to invest in a 3rd party renderer to get something looking half way 
decent out of them can´t be the most ideal situation but a pretty nice way of 
creating an industry standard of wasting people´s life with forcing them in 
personal overtime.

What a crap.

Really.

Provide a renderer that actually works as advertised. Or don´t make me pay for 
that mR crap.


tim












On 06.01.2014 11:38, Graham Bell wrote:
Ah, the Dreamcast, a fine console but flawed form the beginning. The tech was 
ok, but really just a pc and essentially the predecessor to the Xbox.
The problem with the Dreamcast was that it launched right in the middle of when 
a lot of developers were looking to retool for the PS2. People were caught in 
the middle of whether to go short for the Dreamcast, or go long for the PS2. 
Most went with the PS2 and then eventually the Xbox.

On the Soft and Maya usability front, personally I don't mind both, but then 
I've always been used to jumping between the two, even back in the Power 
Animator and Soft3d days.
I've often heard that Maya is hard to learn, or its UI is tricky, but I think 
this is one of those myths. It's really no better, or worse than any other 
package to learn really. The one thing to remember about Maya, is that it's 
very open, it was designed that way. So there can be different (some would say 
to many) ways to do the same thing. Also, Maya has a lot of preferences, so you 
can actually change many things, including the UI. It's mastering those things, 
that can often be the trick. I still see people now, some experienced Maya 
vets, who aren't using the hotbox or marking menus correctly and they can be 
key to Maya's UI and usability.

However I'd still like some Softimage fairy dust sprinkled on some of
Maya's UI though. Now when it comes to Max, don't get me
started.......:-)



From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan
Yargici
Sent: 06 January 2014 09:44
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Softimage is the Dreamcast of DCC apps.

Playstation had the slick marketing, Dreamcast had the tech but got chewed to 
pieces by the Playstation hype machine and Playstation won.  When Sega finally 
gave up on the console business every man and his dog came out singing the 
praises of the Dreamcast.




On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Stefan Kubicek 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Is it just my biased point of view that all studios that closed or filed for 
bancruptcy last year were Maya based?
It could of course be that there are more Maya based studios closing than 
Softimage based ones simply because there are more Maya based studios, but I 
still smell a pattern there.

I always felt that the number of  users on Softimage is directly related to 
marketing efforts. I remember Alias/Wavefront doing a remarkable job in the 
early days of Maya in this regard. I never saw anything like that happening for 
Softimage at any time of it's existence.
Ultimately, there are only two types of 3D artists: those who use Softimage, and 
those who have never tried. -> Get more prople to seriously try it.






So guys, I spent a weekend working with Maya...HOW THE F@CK THIS PROGRAM IS 
USED IN PRODUCTION?????????


This is the same question I always ask myself after using Maya when required...  and Maya 
being the "Industry Standard" makes you understand so many things about the 
industry standards...

[http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg]

2014/1/6 Szabolcs Matefy
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
So guys, I spent a weekend working with Maya...HOW THE F@CK THIS PROGRAM IS 
USED IN PRODUCTION?????????

Ok, I can use Maya, I have a quite solid background working with Maya,
but seriously guys...It's so overcomplicated, and brainkilling...In
Softimage almost everything is just fine (OK, we need development),
but in Maya, the easiest task takes quite long compared to
SI...Finally I found myself fixing UVs, Unfolding, etc. in
Softimage...Anyway, I need some samples in Maya, so I take a big
breath, and continue working with Maya...But seriously, Softimage is
way better in many point of view. It has no artisan, has no PaintFX,
but for example rendering is way faster (with MR), shading setup is
way faster, modeling is lot faster, and so on. So I really don't
understand, how come that Softimage is not acknowledged at all. I
swear guys, that I'll spread the Word of Softimage


Cheers

Szabolcs

From:
[email protected]<mailto:softimage-bounces@listp
roc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:softimage-bounc
[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Henry Katz
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 8:18 PM
To:
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]

Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Good thing I asked.

On 01/04/2014 05:40 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:
Softimage doesn't support Python 3.x


On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Henry Katz 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Steve,

No issues with python 3.3 as well, before I bruise my knuckles on the bleeding 
edge?

Cheers,
Henry
On 01/03/2014 02:47 AM, Steven Caron wrote:
really?

install pyqt
set softimage to use system python, uncheck...
file>preferences>scripting>use python installed with softimage run the example 
scripts pyqtforsoftimage plugin provides. or just 'import PyQt4'

s

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Angus Davidson 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
A non nonsense guide to installing pYQT would be great. So many great tools are 
never used because people cant get past trying to get the install to work.







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