Really nice work Oliver! On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:06 AM, skuby <[email protected]> wrote:
> *Original Poster Here*: So I finally took the trip down memory lane (as > suggested) and while it was fun, I think I was being a little too nostalgic > (as well as a bit frustrated that I simply don't know Blender in all > aspects of 3D (rigging/animation/ETC.) as well as I used to know > Softimage). It's been almost 3 years since I've had Softimage open and I > focused mostly on modeling/sculpting while learning Blender in this time. > > Playing with Soft again is helping me figure out what I am really missing > in Blender (and I what I just need to learn better). > > Funny enough there are actually a lot of things I took for granted that > Blender does much much better and I would miss if I actually tried to work > in Softimage. Right now I'm just mesmerizing about the Softimage UI. The > PPG's and the history / modifier stack are so awesome! > > Thanks everyone, it's weird how this worked out, but I think I'm good. My > stubbornness in not keeping Softimage around at all made some obvious > things not so obvious, but it forced me to learn. > > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Olivier Jeannel <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Nicole, >> I work on my own. Sometimes I wish I was in a studio though, but these >> are often vfx oriented which is not what's show my reel. >> If you want to see what I do : >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.wandaprint.com_ar&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=AmOdRK2wn6tAk3fc5usR6C5ruuYup0PQrODJljwcqvU&s=q234YnSo2o7P79tNH6Ft8fYtiq43KCcxbOwKUDU053U&e= >> tist/olivier-jeannel/ >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.wandaprint.com_artist_olivier-2Djeannel_&d=DwMFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=shlGOhCohw4KB0FU8mSMhTAt8hSPwjWx4v0vVfxpo5Q&s=zS11vS2vxRrPl3IeXuxtci-FnHYYgnkIRiExWw_IrME&e=> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure Softimage was that fast to setup, but yes I use Houdini as I >> used Softimage (as I used Lightwave, as I used 3ds, as I used Imagine3D... >> doh!) >> >> You want to be artistly free creative ? Frankly, go Houdini but prepare >> to suffer at the beginning. >> >> Imho, Houdini means 3D, as much as painting means not only "Art of >> Painting" but also knows "what's a pigment", "what's a canvas", etc. >> In my opinion 3D engeneering got me much closer to the joy of "doing Art" >> than my Art school studies, but that's a very personnal statement. >> Imho, mastering engennering leads to creative freedom ... >> Houdini is big, offers more, but costs a bit to get into. >> But by far, it's my best move. >> >> >> After, and I agree with you on the sadness of the current movie >> production, it all depends on what *you* decide to do and that might >> not be software related >> >> 2017-10-07 18:15 GMT+02:00 Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> hi. >>> do you say Olivier, >>> that it is possible in Houdini to work autonomously as an individual, >>> make a movie on your own the way it is with softi? >>> with softimage there was a few hours of learning, and you could >>> start the whole aspects of a production , this ; on your own. >>> what is your 'radar'? do you work in a studio environment? >>> >>> ps i have seen a recent pluralsight tutorial about houdini procedural >>> building cities, >>> and i do understand better now the meaning of the conversation we had >>> here about >>> developing an 'artist' friendly insight into houdini. >>> >>> it is really 'engeneering', in asmuch as we cannot say that Gustav Klimt >>> or Salvador Dali >>> (to take mild, provide tempered examples, not Tristan Tzara or James >>> Joyce say), these XXcentury artists they were *not* engeneers. >>> if you start building movies the way you build the Empire State Building >>> or the Millau Bridge by Foster, >>> then it is not cinema. It used to be cinema. Not to mention the quality >>> of the 'movies' like BatMan-Marvel or recently Bladerunner 2049, >>> who i believe at top level of production are built to make audience >>> adapt to the same sadness which causes the hard >>> coding effort. Houdini gestion of particles integrates perfectly swell >>> in that management of audiences. Netflix also. >>> Art is about Joy, inspiration, visionnary, invention.. Engeneering is >>> about enslavement and vacuum. Apocalyptic. >>> >>> so in regards to this i d be entertained to know if there are >>> independent users of houdini. >>> >>> best regards, >>> N.B.J. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-10-07 16:21 GMT+02:00 Olivier Jeannel <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Mmmh, I have to admit that rigging is not on my radar atm. >>>> There should have a few good tutorial (not that many) though, for the >>>> basic of IK. >>>> And I think I've see some big prods working with rigs in Houdini as >>>> described here >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vimeo.com_222707484&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=AmOdRK2wn6tAk3fc5usR6C5ruuYup0PQrODJljwcqvU&s=P-7CLZ2mcbKnVPxetFhmvU_KLYtcQT_4XzBLuaHudNQ&e= >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vimeo.com_222707484&d=DwMFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=VjVYPMqcEtT0rAui_UWcp9nTKpMooXt3SwdUnuoE7Wc&s=xaXNedVGnj6dRaER6UOahpQE2rQb6yrymw_0tWaBlLY&e=> >>>> by Michael Goldfarb (I haven't watched the hole lecture). >>>> But overal you're right Mirko. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-10-07 16:08 GMT+02:00 Mirko Jankovic <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> One note on Houdini that character animation is far away from >>>>> Softimage. >>>>> One big stopping point there is lack of riggers. I was trying to look >>>>> around and Houdini riggers pool is close to non. >>>>> Now unless you have time and wan't to learn rigging completely as >>>>> well.... This one is a bit stopping point for me at the moment. >>>>> ᐧ >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Olivier Jeannel < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've moved to Houdini. If by far Softimage was easier or more >>>>>> friendly, I found that Houdini provides a never ending learning curve >>>>>> with >>>>>> unlimited possibilities. >>>>>> If you're not affraid to learn and want to give 3D some little sense, >>>>>> I strongly suggest you (patiently) give Houdini a go. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-10-07 14:03 GMT+02:00 Mirko Jankovic <[email protected]> >>>>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Old saying was, it still is and will probably be accurate for a bit >>>>>>> longer... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With Softimage you work, with Maya you workaround >>>>>>> ᐧ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Sven Constable < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard positive things about Cinema4D from ex-SI users, regarding >>>>>>>> usability and speed. I never used it and never will but as I was told, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> has a fast learning curve and is very well suited for standard tasks. >>>>>>>> Especially motion graphics and such. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, if you already have a Softimage license and you are used to >>>>>>>> work with it over the years AND you are a one man show, delivering >>>>>>>> final >>>>>>>> animations and renderings, I don’t'see a need to change tools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As other said, the only reason to switch to Maya is when you're >>>>>>>> planning to work as a freelancer at companies again. If you're in the >>>>>>>> lucky >>>>>>>> situation to do your own productions, you're pretty much free to use >>>>>>>> whatever you want :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only slightly uncomfortable thing using Softimage is, that I'm >>>>>>>> feeling a bit lonely ;) We're using a software that noone will start to >>>>>>>> learn anymore. There are still ppl on this list and a few forums, but >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> will diminish further. I'd feel much better if there would be Softimage >>>>>>>> Inc. around, even if they won't sell or develop the product anymore. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sven >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *skuby >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 07, 2017 10:39 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* I'm lost / Which Software fills the void / help!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TLDR = Where do I go/which program? I’m specifically asking >>>>>>>> hardcore Softimage users who knew all the hotkeys and L/R/MMB >>>>>>>> clicks/shortcuts, sticky keys, etc.. And wore the software like a >>>>>>>> custom >>>>>>>> fit glove. All aspects (modeling/rigging/anim/UV/all of it etc.) I >>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>> freelancer, not a specialist. I won’t be working in the 3D segment of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> industry again, but I want a professional generalist tool-kit back in >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> art toolbox. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Has Maya become use-able out of the box (according to Softimage >>>>>>>> vets) (w/ preferences tweaks)? Did anyone make a plug-in or hotkey >>>>>>>> kit for >>>>>>>> Softimage users? Does it still take 4+ steps/clicks for everything vs. >>>>>>>> Softimage even after learning Maya best practices? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Was there any recent talk of bringing Softimage back, even with >>>>>>>> limited support? I’d pay $30+ per month for it w/Mudbox in a >>>>>>>> heartbeat. >>>>>>>> (I’d pay the same for Maya + Mudbox if it was viable for me) (I’m >>>>>>>> close to >>>>>>>> giving up on Blender, interface/usability wise it’s still way too far >>>>>>>> away >>>>>>>> from Softimage and it took A LOT of effort to get to the point where I >>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>> with it now, too much effort). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After all this time, how did you solve this problem? Is your >>>>>>>> solution adequate or still frustrating? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About Me: I spent a small fortune training Softimage at Vancouver >>>>>>>> Film School/VFS and then worked as a freelancer for small commercials >>>>>>>> (before that I trained Maya at SVA for 4 years and I hated the Maya >>>>>>>> software, I was using it afterwards at a small film and commercial >>>>>>>> company). More recently I swung over to websites and now have moved >>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>> into 2D Illustration. I miss my 3D toolset (and have practical >>>>>>>> commercial >>>>>>>> uses for it now), and I really need to bring it back into my toolbox. >>>>>>>> I’d >>>>>>>> be willing to put in the time to re-learn some things that I already >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> how to do, but I won’t settle for sub-par interfaces, I’m sick of >>>>>>>> banging >>>>>>>> my head into the wall. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please help me, I’m completely lost, frustrated and heart-broken. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck to all of you. 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