Alain:

I have a question. In your recent note to softwire, you seem to be changing the 
charter that you and Jari stated in v6ops at IETF-81. At IETF-81, you stated 
that there was no need for a translation-related working group because 
translation (specifically the dIVI proposal, but more generally translation) 
would be part of the ongoing softwire charter. In your more recent statements, 
you appear to be saying that the topic would be discussed in a "vs" setting and 
buried "because the IETF has decided to not work on translation". I'll remind 
you that the IETF has not only chosen to work on translation, but to 
standardize it along with tunneling technologies.

I call on you to not only give lip service to discussion, but to allow and 
support open discussion of stateless a+p tunneling (as apposed to ds-lite, 
which is stateful) and translation, as you said you would.

Fred

> Alain's "translation" statement is ~2hrs 57 min into the recording at:
> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf81/ietf81-205abc-20110728-1256-pm.mp3
> 
> Transcript:
> 
>    Alain: This is done in Softwire.  We are planning to organize
>    an interim meeting in September, in some part of the world,
>    to actually go through all the technical solutions that have
>    been put forward and analyze them and do what we did at the
>    beginning of Softwires.  Pretty intensive interim meeting,
>    locked in a room, and figure out what we need.
> 
>    Fred: So, Alain, we are finally going to have the discussion.
> 
>    Alain: We are actually going to make technical progress on
>    this - more than just discussing.
> 
> Jari suggested doing everything in one group (implying a new WG).
> 
>    Alain:  there are no more groups.  We will just do it now.

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