2012/7/26 <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> > Dear Ole, all, > > For sure MAP spec can be updated to cover 1:1 mode but this brings more > confusion for some people as this contradicts the "no state in ISP network" > paradigm. I personally vote for limiting MAP to its initial scope rather > than trying to cover other deployment options. > > I see three main flavours which justifies having standalone specification > documents: > > (1) Full stateful mode: DS-Lite > (2) Full stateless mode: MAP/4rd > (3) Per-customer state/binding mode: lw4o6 > (draft-cui-softwire-b4-translated-ds-lite) > > These three flavours have been already sketched in Figure 7 of RFC6346 > (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6346#section-3.3.4). > > yes. i share this point. thanks, Med, for the clear explanation on the big picture. - maoke
> Having standalone specifications for each of these flavours helps > operators to better target their suitable deployment model without being > disturbed with parameters and details not pertinent for their deployment > context. > > Cheers, > Med > > >-----Message d'origine----- > >De : softwires-boun...@ietf.org > >[mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Ole Trøan > >Envoyé : jeudi 26 juillet 2012 12:23 > >À : Lee, Yiu > >Cc : Softwires-wg > >Objet : Re: [Softwires] map-00: review on the mode 1:1 > > > >Yiu, > > > >> Set EA bits=0 only saves bits in v6 address and decouples > >v4/v6 address > >> dependency. It doesn't bring any new function compared to > >embedding full > >> v4 address in the EA-bit. However, the operation models of > >EA-bit>0 or =0 > >> are very different. By the way, this works only for MAP-E. I > >fail to see > >> why we want to include this in the base spec. > > > >what do you say in the spec if EA=0 and provisioned IPv4 > >prefix length = 32. > >the spec has to say something about this to be complete. > > > >cheers, > >Ole > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Yiu > >> > >> > >> On 7/25/12 9:45 PM, "Satoru Matsushima" <satoru.matsush...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Yiu, > >>> > >>> On 2012/07/26, at 4:08, Lee, Yiu wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ole, > >>>> > >>>> Where can I get the formal definition of 1:1 mode? My > >understanding of > >>>> 1:1 > >>>> refers to one public IPv4 address per subscriber but you refer very > >>>> specific to decoupling IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. > >>>> > >>> > >>> It doesn't 1:1 in MAP and 4rd context, because embedding full ipv4 > >>> address in ea-bits is as a result of prefix allocation operation. > >>> > >>>> Before MAP was accepted as WG item, MAP was proposed to embed IPv4 > >>>> address > >>>> information (EA bits > 0) in the CE IPv6 address to > >achieve stateless. > >>> > >>> No, there was no such definition for EA-bits length restriction. > >>> > >>>> Now there is a new proposal to add a new feature to have the IPv4 > >>>> information > >>>> in the BR only. This change requires to provision > >individual subscriber > >>>> information to the BR (instead of aggregated information). > >Benefit are > >>>> saving bits and breaking v4 and v6 address dependency. > >>> > >>> There's no change from previous spec, to just clarify MAP, > >as a stateless > >>> solution, could naturally support most granular mapping rule in its > >>> nature. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Questions to WG: > >>>> Is it useful feature to be included in MAP? If not, why > >and alternative? > >>>> > >>> > >>> I believe that it does not make sense to restrict EA-len > > >0 for both MAP > >>> and 4rd. It does make sense that you see MAP as framework > >of solutions > >>> which covers specific 1:1 solution by the mapping algorithm. > >>> > >>> cheers, > >>> --satoru > >>> > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Yiu > >>>> > >>>> On 7/25/12 2:40 PM, "Ole Trøan" <otr...@employees.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yiu, > >>>>> > >>>>>> I am not asking whether MAP supports 1:1 mode with no EA > >bits or not. > >>>>>> I > >>>>>> am > >>>>>> asking MAP allows to embed the 32-bit address in the EA bits to > >>>>>> achieve > >>>>>> 1:1 mode: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "The EA bits can contain a full or part > >>>>>> of an IPv4 prefix or address, and in the shared IPv4 address case > >>>>>> contains a Port-Set Identifier (PSID)." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Why not use this instead? > >>>>> > >>>>> you can do either. > >>>>> embedding a complete IPv4 address and PSID does require a > >lot of IPv6 > >>>>> space though. > >>>>> e.g. /56 - 32 - 6 = /18 > >>>>> > >>>>> 1:1 mode is typically referred to a model where IPv4 and IPv6 > >>>>> addressing > >>>>> are independent. > >>>>> > >>>>> cheers, > >>>>> Ole > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Softwires mailing list > >>>> Softwires@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > >>> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Softwires mailing list > >Softwires@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >
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