-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:spamcon-general-admin@;spamcon.org]On Behalf Of Dana Nutter Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [spamcon-general] I have a spam-related dilemma. How shoud I deal with it?
>> ... Bellsouth may be allowing spamming or not, but that still does not make it >fair for these spam vigilantes to >>persecute the many for the sins of the few, or >the ISP. .... >>These "vigilantes" are not persecuting anyone. SPEWS, etc. are simply providing a >list of spammers, spam-friendlies and spam hot spots. What is done with that list is >completely at the hands of the individuals and/or corporations who subscribe to those >lists, and they have to right to block anything on their own networks for any reason >they wish. >Blocklists aren't really much different from credit reporting agencies who don't >decide whether to give you credit or not. They simply provide information based upon >past history. You're right, blocklists are just as irresponsible as credit reporting agencies who screw around with your credit because some low IQ clerk mistyped a number and hosed up your credit record. Both of them should be prosecuted for their irresponsibility. If a doctor makes a mistake and doesn't diagnose you properly, or doesn't treat you properly, he or she can be sued for malpractice. It should be the same for credit reporting agencies and spam blocklists. The attitude that no one is being persecuted because people don't *have* to use their lists is a copout. As long as legitimate business is being interfered with, someone *is* being persecuted. I don't understand why it's so difficult for blocklists to just act responsibly. Is that task really so hard to do? Why are they so incapable of just cleaning up after themselves? >>If you choose to buy service from an irresponsible provider, you shouldn't be suprised when others decline to allow connections from your servers. >> So if I buy address space from your ISP and start spamming from it, it's OK with >you if SPEWS shuts you down, puts your name on every other list they can find, >interferes with your ability to conduct legitimate business and thereby impacts your >company's revenue, and then refuses to take you off the list even though you've >followed their prescribed method of requesting removal? Well, different strokes for >different folks, I guess, but that's not the way I feel. >>Once again, SPEWS (or any of the others for that matter) doesn't shut anyone down. >They merely provide a service of reporting trouble spots to subscribers (mail admins) >so they can make their own decisions and set their own policies. If such lists >weren't providing valuable information, nobody would be using them. Nobody is >required to use a blocklist. >>BTW: I am (unfortunately) a Bellsouth customer. They suck as an ISP, and as a >(I)LEC. Flaky service run by an incompentent staff of replicants. See above note about a copout. If you have a problem with you internet service, then you should absolutely change ISPs. That's a completely different subject from the topic at hand. _______________________________________________ spamcon-general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.spamcon.org/mailman/listinfo/spamcon-general#subscribers Subscribe, unsubscribe, etc: Use the URL above or send "help" in body of message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact administrator: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
