-----Original Message----- From: Seth Breidbart [mailto:sethb@;panix.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [spamcon-general] I have a spam-related dilemma. How shoud I deal with it?
>Erroneously? >The address you sent that message from is owned by bellsouth. If >bellsouth declines to remove spammers from its network (which has >certainly been the case in the past, and I haven't seen anything about >them changing that policy), then a listing of some or all of >bellsouth's address space is not erroneous. Bellsouth did not have spammers on the part of their subnet that contains my addresses, so a listing of all of their address space *was* erroneous. Ever heard of subnetting? People who run these blacklists may find it convenient to deny the existence of it, but the rest of the world has pretty much gotten a grip on the fact that address space does get subnetted and someone in one part of that space doesn't necessarily have control of how the other part is used. Bellsouth may be allowing spamming or not, but that still does not make it fair for these spam vigilantes to persecute the many for the sins of the few, or the ISP. >Anyway, what is "some progress"? Is the listing still there? (Are >Bellsouth's cartooneys shining you on about removal?) No, the listing is gone. Check it yourself if you don't believe me. >I strongly doubt they have any way to contact SPEWS other than by >posting in news.admin.net-abuse.email. I tried posting there and got no results, but frankly I don't give a flying hang what they did as long as they got my addresses removed, and the results speak for themselves on that one. >They say that they'll list IP space owned by spam-friendly ISPs, and >they do list IP space owned by spam-friendly ISPs. That seems quite >responsible to me: they do what they say. ISPs that publish Terms of >Service that say spamming isn't allowed, but fail to act against >spammers when complaints arrive, are the ones who are irresponsible. > >If you choose to buy service from an irresponsible provider, you >shouldn't be suprised when others decline to allow connections from >your servers. So if I buy address space from your ISP and start spamming from it, it's OK with you if SPEWS shuts you down, puts your name on every other list they can find, interferes with your ability to conduct legitimate business and thereby impacts your company's revenue, and then refuses to take you off the list even though you've followed their prescribed method of requesting removal? Well, different strokes for different folks, I guess, but that's not the way I feel. _______________________________________________ spamcon-general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.spamcon.org/mailman/listinfo/spamcon-general#subscribers Subscribe, unsubscribe, etc: Use the URL above or send "help" in body of message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact administrator: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
