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I knew I could count on good 'ol Dave to balk on this.

Dave Cohen wrote:
 
> Good idea to play around with on your own, but when you graduate, try to
> explain that you would like to shoot negative film instead of chromes to an
> art director or editor and tell us what happens. :)

Industry is quickly taking shape to the new generation of color negative
films.  They are sharper, have more contrast, and great color saturation than
the films of 5 to 10 years ago.  Also there is a rumor that the manufacturers
would like to eliminate positive films in favor of the color negative films in
the future.  So start getting familiar with color negatives again.  I know
plenty of professionals who use color negatives (usually 4x5 or 8x10] for
commercial work and or print media, and don't get bit off because of it.  Hey
I still like Kodachrome, and its still my staple.  But it shouldn't be the
only thing. 
 
> Seriously folks, since we were talking about how to manipulate the final
> image (the film) by using filters, and negatives don't provide a final
> image to work from, then we may as well color correct in pre-press
> (Photoshop, etc.) from transparencies.  Of course all of this depends on
> your final output and end use plans for the image.  If it is to be
> published, then it will need to be scanned in some form.  BTW, when I scan
> negatives, it's the same prep as slides to get the final image, providing
> that the exposures are accurate and I don't have too dense or to thin a
> negative to work with (just when you thought it was safe to come out of the
> darkroom, the computer equivalent is knocking on the door).  And without a
> final image (print) to work from (to), you will get what the pre-press
> person thinks your image should look like, which may not be what you think
> it should look like.

I have found color negatives to be much easier to scan in than color slides. 
Slides carry a huge amount of contrast (some unwanted) with them, and it's a
bear to open up the shadow areas of a dense slide.  Negatives offer a greater
chance to show shadow detail with controlled highlights.  Negatives in fact
are a more true representation of contrast than slides.  There isn't that much
contrast in the real world that a slide shows. 
 
> Obviously, if you are a railfan intending to show slides at a show, then
> you are SOL with the negatives.

Granted.  Slides aren't the only way to put on a show.  It's possible now to
burn your scans onto a CD, and use a program to do dissolve show via a
computer...slides, negatives, color or black & white, Photoshop® images.  This
also keeps those slides in dark storage and out of the ire of the projector. 
 
> If you like to print color in the dark room, and you are going to hang it
> (your trains) on the wall, then by all means, knock yourself out and print
> until you have to come out for air, or more Fig Newtons.

I love color printing.  RA-4 paper costs less than black & white paper. 
Although you will have to make an investment into a Jobo and a dichroic
enlarger to do this.  It's too bad nobody prints for a actual show anymore.  I
usually come out for a sandwich and a Coors every once in a while.  No
FigNewtons here.
 
> If you have a difficult lighting job and only one chance to get it right on
> film (I won't even get into digital filmless photography here), and you
> will have time to play with the film later (and you don't need to project
> it for any reason), then you can shoot negative film to get a wider
> exposure latitude and some breathing room, and you can print it or prep it
> yourself.

The beauty of printing it yourself is calibration.  If you own your own
equipment, and nobody else is using it, you can run off a print exactly as you
want it with little time spent...if you do the time to calibrate your camera,
lenses, films, papers, chemicals, enlargers, thermometers, processors,
lighting, etc.  Not something that happens overnight. 
  
> Filters in Photoshop would be a good topic. :)

That's a story for another message.  Coming soon...

Sam 
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