The funny thing is it's not even a cost issue, it's already installed at this point and now they say they want it removed! And of course this is a school which is set to open in a week or so and there just isn't time to go back and take it down and still finish installing the rest of the job. Just plain weird...
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms If the data had REAL value they would want it protected by some means. No protection guarantees the total loss of the data. I'd agree with Brian, it's just the age old misconception of those drippy, leaky sprinklers ruining their equipment. And the 20G P.A. system, yeah that makes sense. It's all a matter of value. But I wonder if those people ever heard of off-site system backup storage. I think I'd be looking at something if it was that valuable. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms How much is the data worth to them though? That may be the problem. Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms My situation is a little different though, they don't want any heads in the Telecom/Data rooms. That's what I have a problem with. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms I have to disagree. We were asked to quote a pre-action system for a 2 head room in an investment firm's office one time and I responded much as many of you have on this issue. The reply was that if there servers got ruined by water and they had to be replaced they were looking at a cool million dollars in HARDWARE alone. So spending 10-20 G on a preaction system is not a big deal to them when they consider the risk, however small, that someone could break a sprinkler. With that said, if it was my million dollars, 20G would seem like a small price to pay. Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms That's the best compliment I've gotten in quite awhile.... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms That's because you're not tHinKing like an Architect. ;) Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms IMHO I don't see a Telecom Room squeaking by as an Electrical room either, at this point the pipe and heads are installed and I have no plans to remove them. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Telecom & Data Rooms See IFC 904.2, if you don't sprinkler the room and have an alternate agent you have an UNSPRINKLERED building. IFC 903.3.1.1.1 I don't see allows omission. IFC usually supersedes NFPA 13 exception. Code vs. standard in legal lingo. AHJ interp. required to determine if electrical room in NFPA 13 exception is overruled by IFC 903.3.1.1. And also as I think you imply is a telecomm room an electrical room. I say no and sprinkler the room but like the rest of the forum have a biased opinion for sprinklering everything. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Telecom & Data Rooms I'm being told by an Architect we are doing a school with that I need to remove any heads from the Telecom & Data rooms and that I'm not allowed to run any pipe above those ceilings either. He is basing it on the provisions for eliminating heads in and Electrical room with a 2 hour fire wall, am I missing something? I am not aware of Telecom & Data rooms falling into the same category as an Electrical room. I have approved plans from the AHJ with the heads shown in those rooms and omitted from the Electrical rooms. 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