its an EXCELLENT rule of thumb but you have to account for which pie your thumb is stuck in (ie location has meaning)

Roland

On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Charles Thurston wrote:

Hello Ron,

I consider it like "Should" and "Shall" in the codes.
Should = They would like you to
Shall = You are going to

And = all of these
Or = Any of these

After 20 years in the Alarm business I learned to follow that rule of
thumb.



Tuesday, March 11, 2008, 10:18:04 AM, you wrote:

Charles,
I don't get the distinction here?

On 3/11/08, Charles Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello A.P.Silva,

In my opinion I would have to agree all AID's should be zoned by floor. This is due to the use of the word "AND" in the following line. If the
word
was "OR" I would be on your side of the fence.

"Alarm initiating devices" are given as "heat detectors,
waterflow switches and manual stations".
                     ^^^
Tuesday, March 11, 2008, 2:12:35 AM, you wrote:

This is a 30,000 sq.ft. residential 4 storey building of combustible construction. The building code limits building area to approx. 18,000 sq.ft. My understanding is the firewalls are due to this area limit.
30,000
sq.ft. building split into three, approx. 10,000 sq.ft. each. The
building
code also states that on the actuation of "alarm initiating devices" the
fire alarm annunciator shall have separate zone indication for each
"floor
area". Floor area is defined as the space between the exterior walls and
required firewalls. "Alarm initiating devices" are given as "heat
detectors,
waterflow switches and manual stations". My interpretation is that the
intent of the code is satisfied if any one of the alarm initiating
devices
(AID) satisfy the zoning requirement. The AHJ insists that "all" AID's
should be zoned per "floor area".

What I'd like to know is if other building codes have similar
annunciator
requirements, and if so, is the sprinkler system zoned for each fire
compartment?

Tony

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Huggins
Sent: March 10, 2008 2:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Horizontal Exits

Considering that a 4 story building can be a SINGLE zone for ALL floors,
still can't see the barrier driving a split per floor zoning.  The
mention
of triggering smoke control does flag that it
could be a performance based design building, then all bets are off.
For a PBD, such thing are documented.

You may very well being dealing with a "seemed like a good idea at the
time"
issue.

Roland

On Mar 10, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Justin Reid wrote:

Zoning the sprinkler system to one side versus the other will tell the fire department which side of the horizontal exit the fire is located. They may be stating that separate zoning is needed so they know which side of the horizontal exit to respond to. That is the only reason I
can think of to zone the two sides differently. And to answer your
question, I have not seen a system split into two zones for just a
horizontal exit. But I am a newbie ( <5 years in the business so I
would defer to others on that).

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