Ray:
That is a huge risk! When something is not as you say it will be the owner
will tell the court, he never asked me what we were storing or how, and I
never gave him permission to make those decisions for me. The Owner does
need to be aware of this document, not only that it exists, but also what
effect it can have on his systems design/layout and its cost. (Yet another
educational opportunity)
Huge risk!!!! Keep up your E&O insurance.(And you might want to see your
underwriter about ways to limit your liability, cause this isn't one of
them.)
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Schmid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: OWNER'S CERTIFICATE
I include a completed Owner's certificate as a block insert on every set of
contract drawings that are issued with my seal and I sign the certificate
as
an agent of the Owner. The Owner is probably not even aware this document
exists (and probably doesn't need to be). I am the EOR, and as such, it
is
my responsibility to evaluate the hazards that will exist and specify
design
criteria that are acceptable. If limitations need to be placed upon the
use
of the facility (storage height, commodity class, no parking under the
drive-up canopy...) those limitations need to be documented with the Owner
and the AHJ by me (the EOR) before it even gets to the contractor. The
Owner's certificate, for me, is simply a formality.
Ray Schmid, P.E.
Schmid and Associates
Fire Protection Engineers
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vince
Sabolik
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OWNER'S CERTIFICATE
At 06:09 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote:
My understanding is that it is liking pulling teeth to get it and you
can only use your fingers
...and I'm trying to figure a way to keep me from getting those teeth
punched out by a lawsuit.
For the hundreth time in recent memory, an owner has told me that his
insurance carrier has told
me to design his job to "whatever 13 calls for".
Where have all the risk analysis / underwriters gone? "Whatever 13
says" could be very different
between two competing underwriters let alone an
independent sprinkler designer, a contractor and
an underwriter. And then there's the schedule....
Besides, my pay grade's probably well under what one of these guys
get (g???).
So I'm wondering if there's a sweeping change that our industry's
headed for.
Are there any independent risk people out here who, for a nominal
fee will acknowledge an owner statement,
prescribe a sprinkler requirement according to what he's been given
and we in turn would make it part of a
design arrangement.
Once upon a time the insurance companies would offer this service to
the owner ahead of design, review
the drawings and TAKE THE RISK. But apparently - save for Factory
Mutual - not anymore. The way things look now,
"whatever 13 says" will probably lose a building somewhere and
provide an insurance company a liability exit due to
them not agreeing with the design that they were reluctant to discuss
with the owner in the first place.
My $0,000.00 and I'm ready to do $1M worth of listening! /RANT OFF
thanks,
Vince
Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136
T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email:
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