I don't know, Steve. The original Compaq computer (and I believe the first portable computer) was designed by 3 guys at happy hour.

At 01:16 PM 12/16/2010, you wrote:
Several years ago at a concert, a friend of mine tried to convince me
that if you cut the bottoms out of two beer cups and hang them on your
ears, the music sounds WAY better and more focused, especially the base
frequencies.   Of course, this was at a Grateful Dead concert and the
last we saw of him for the day he was dancing through the crowd with
beer cups on his head.   Since then, I have taken most scientific
theories put forth by my acquaintances with a dose of skepticism that is
exponentially related to the level (and quality) of their intoxication
during the period of "experimentation".

SML


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
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Richardson, R
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Concealed plastic pipe

I certainly have doubts as well, but it should be noted that there was
an air space in the pipe

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd -
FPDC
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 07:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Concealed plastic pipe

Uh...  If there wasn't a hole somewhere to relieve the pressure, it
could have exploded. I have my doubts.

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On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:54 AM, "Richardson, R" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have a friend who claimed to have filled a small section of CPVC
sprinkler pipe with water, capped it, threw it into the campfire, then
went back to drinking. The following morning the pipe was intact amongst
the ashes the next day.  Could be a BS story, I don't know.
>
> Rich Richardson
> Seattle Fire Department
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Arbel
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 04:39
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Concealed plastic pipe
>
> Probably when exposed to fire it is protected by the water spray
whilst
> above the tiles there is no immediate direct exposure no spray
protection
> was afforded.
>
> Dan
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geir
Jensen
> Sent: 16 December, 2010 2:03 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Concealed plastic pipe
>
> We are assessing a case of plastic sprinkler pipework in concealed
space.
> There is an issue of correct listing or not. This is under European
> standards, however fairly similar to NFPA 13.
>
> What I want to know: What is the actual risk of using plastic wet
sprinkler
> pipe in a lowered ceiling space, given a listing as exposed plastic
wet
> sprinkler pipe?  Maybe no concerns?  I read NFPA 13 Annex A6.3.6 on
this and
> cannot really get my head around. Why is there a risk of removed
ceiling
> tile when the pipework is elsewhere directly exposed to fire?
>
> Geir Jensen
> COWI Fire
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