A little aside relative to something Craig said. I think "code trumps standard" is a misnomer when the code references the standard as applicable as the IBC does in 903.??? relative to 13. 13 then becomes a part of the code by reference. I also think that if IBC says you can do something (i.e.: have a partial system in a building that would otherwise not require sprinklers) then THAT trumps a sub-paragraph in a portion of code (903.???) that would only be applicable in full if the building were required to be sprinklered. I think John's passage from the commentary pretty much supports that interpretation. I'd still be leery and keep that passage handy (like in the contract documents) against future possibilities.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, John Drucker <[email protected]>wrote: > From the 2009 IBC Commentary, Section 901.2; > > "For example, if a building owner chooses to provide sprinkler protection > in > a certain area and such protection is not required by the code, the system > MUST BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE NFPA STANDARD and other > APPLICABLE requirements of the code such as water supply and supervision. > The EXTENT of the protection would not be regulated". > > So the stakeholder defines the extent of the protected area, the protection > within that area, the water supply, supervision and other features that > serve that area must comply with the standard. When dealing with "not > required" applications a performance statement indicating the fire > protection goals of the intended protection is in order. The goals must > match the design. > > Hope that helps. > > > John Drucker, CET > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > Fire Marshals Office > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or > otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and > approvals > from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > Williams > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: non-required systems > > The exception in section 901.2 of the IBC (2003) states: "Exception: Any > fire protection system or portion thereof not required by this code shall > be > permitted to be installed for partial or complete protection provided that > such system meets the requirements of this code." Does this mean that an > Architect/Owner can pick and chose what the wants to protect if the system > is not required? Anybody dealt with this from a liability standpoint? > > Todd G. Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860.535.2080 > www.fpdc.com > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
