When a standrad is adopted as part of a code it is enforceable. For instance, the building code in washington is Chapter 19.27 of the Revised Code of Washington (RCW) and includes IBC, IRC, UPC, UMC, NEC, etc. and many other documents (NFPA XX, ASME XX, ANSI XX, to name a few) by adoption, plus amendments. All are code and enforceable including adopted standards (13, 13R & 13D among them). Unadopted documents of any type are non-enforceable and informational only.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > A Code has enforcement; a standard does not. > > > At 07:16 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: > >A little aside relative to something Craig said. I think "code trumps > >standard" is a misnomer when the code references the standard as > applicable > >as the IBC does in 903.??? relative to 13. 13 then becomes a part of the > >code by reference. I also think that if IBC says you can do something > (i.e.: > >have a partial system in a building that would otherwise not require > >sprinklers) then THAT trumps a sub-paragraph in a portion of code > (903.???) > >that would only be applicable in full if the building were required to be > >sprinklered. I think John's passage from the commentary pretty much > supports > >that interpretation. I'd still be leery and keep that passage handy (like > in > >the contract documents) against future possibilities. > > > >On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, John Drucker <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> From the 2009 IBC Commentary, Section 901.2; > >> > >> "For example, if a building owner chooses to provide sprinkler > protection > >> in > >> a certain area and such protection is not required by the code, the > system > >> MUST BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE NFPA STANDARD and > other > >> APPLICABLE requirements of the code such as water supply and > supervision. > >> The EXTENT of the protection would not be regulated". > >> > >> So the stakeholder defines the extent of the protected area, the > protection > >> within that area, the water supply, supervision and other features that > >> serve that area must comply with the standard. When dealing with "not > >> required" applications a performance statement indicating the fire > >> protection goals of the intended protection is in order. The goals must > >> match the design. > >> > >> Hope that helps. > >> > >> > >> John Drucker, CET > >> Fire Protection Subcode Official > >> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > >> Fire Marshals Office > >> Borough of Red Bank, NJ > >> > >> Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or > >> otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and > >> approvals > >> from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > >> Williams > >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:04 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: non-required systems > >> > >> The exception in section 901.2 of the IBC (2003) states: "Exception: Any > >> fire protection system or portion thereof not required by this code > shall > >> be > >> permitted to be installed for partial or complete protection provided > that > >> such system meets the requirements of this code." Does this mean that > an > >> Architect/Owner can pick and chose what the wants to protect if the > system > >> is not required? Anybody dealt with this from a liability standpoint? > >> > >> Todd G. 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Yakima Ave. > >Tacoma, WA 98405 > > > >[email protected] > > > >http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > > >253.680.7346 > >253.576.9700 (cell) > > > >Member: > >ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC > > > >They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, > >essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > Todd G. 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