But the annex materials still will say 'Environmental conditions should be considered as outlined in 23.1.6.1.2'. So to Jim's point if one used say plastic UG AG then transitioned and something happened then they'd get you on sure you complied with Ch. 6 but not Ch. 23. To an extent an hypothetical problem because really most (but certainly not all) stubs through the floor are in relatively protected locations.
Chris Cahill, PE* Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & McDonnell 8201 Norman Center Drive Bloomington, MN 55437 Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For *Registered in: MN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Davidson Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Underground Pipe Material Roland, It is nice that the NFPA 13 committee has modified, however the lawyers will have a field day hanging the contractor out to dry since the contractor will be saying, in front of a jury, "that he did not follow the pipe manufacturer's UL listing because NFPA 13 (a consensus minimum level standard) allowed him to not follow the UL listing" I do not think that NFPA 13 will get in front of the jury to say the NFPA 13 Committee will accept the liability. Jim Davidson Davidson Associates Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting 302-994-9500 Fax:302-234-1781 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Underground Pipe Material Such removal would no longer be enforceable since it is explicitly addressed by 13. This is another RARE case where the normal process (ie follow the cut-sheet requirements via the listing) is exempted by the technical committee. Another example is the listed sprinklers required by 8.15.1.6 for concealed combustible spaces with a depth less than 36 in. The listing applies only to solid wood joist but 8.15.1.7 allows that sprinkler to be used with composite wood joists. Roland On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Jim Davidson wrote: > You will need to check the UL listing of the pipe and the pipe > manufacturer's tech data regarding the loading the pipe can take from > building foundations and other loads such as traffic, truck wheel > loads on flexible pavement(asphalt), most of the underground plastic > pipe is not listed for use above ground, and you are required to use a > DI transition piece. I have seen AHJ require the removal of the > plastic pipe and replacement with DI transition piece, very expensive > after floor is poured and walls are up. > > Jim Davidson > > Jim Davidson > > Davidson Associates > Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting > 302-994-9500 Fax:302-234-1781 > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
