In MA and RI the it needs to be lined DI not standard DI before the backflow

David Canham
Fire Systems Solutions

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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, David Autry <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> One jurisdiction around here, requires DI on anything before the backflow.
> Basically running the underground inside the building up to the backflow.
> NFPA 24, uses the AWWA approvals.
> 
> David Autry
> 
> Meininger Fire Protection
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> Lincoln, NE 68522
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike
> Hairfield
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:55 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> How about AWWA?
> Mike
> 
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:52:14 +0000
>> 
>> B16.4 is for gray iron which I think is the most common form for fire
> sprinkler system above ground threaded fittings.
>> 
>> I'm attempting to determine the applicable standard for ductile iron
> flanged fittings AND whether or not such fittings are permissible in the
> above ground portion of the fire sprinkler system.  Specifically in the
> riser manifold. It could be a flanged ductile iron tee or flanged ductile
> iron spool piece, etc.
>> 
>> I heard that they are being used as I described.  So, I thought I'd look
> it up to see if NFPA 13 allowed it.  And, none of the standards listed in
> the acceptable materials table address ductile iron.
>> 
>> I'm comfortable with pointing to 1.7 as a "back up" justification.  But,
> any more help would be appreciated.
>> 
>>    J. Scott Mitchell, PE
>>       Fire Protection Engineer |
>>       Projects Engineering
>>       CNS Pantex | 806.477.5883 |
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> Matthew J Willis
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:29 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Isn't 36.10M for Welded and Seamless pipe?
>> B16.4  is for fittings.
>> 
>> R/
>> Matt
>> 
>> Matthew J. Willis
>> Project Manager
>> Rapid Fire Protection Inc.
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>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> [email protected]
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:27 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
>> 
>> Thanks for all the responses.
>> 
>> The reason is because NFPA 13 does not include ductile iron (ASME
> B36.10M) in the acceptable materials table. My opinion is that it is
> functionally more than adequate.
>> 
>> Would this be covered by section 1.7 (2016) for alternate arrangements?
>> 
>>    J. Scott Mitchell, PE
>>       Fire Protection Engineer |
>>       Projects Engineering
>>       CNS Pantex | 806.477.5883 |
>> 
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