The problem of nobody bidding the detection, but everybody excluding it, was exactlty what happened at the C-17 Simulator building at McChord AFB.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Price is all they care about. > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29303 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Hill > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Preaction Systems Scope > > Can you send those contractors our way. We can cloud, highlight and put > arrows pointing to our exclusions and the general contractor still only > sees the price at the bottom of the page. > > Mike Hill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Preaction Systems Scope > > You could have a base bid price excluding the electrics, with an "in bold" > extra for the inclusion electrics. That might get their attention and > still let them compare apples to apples. I know I've done that and that > started someone asking questions about just what the other bids included. > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you all for your help. That is what I thought but we were > > starting to wonder if we were the only ones that seem to consistently > > have this problem. We so clearly, in bold exclude it in detail and > > then still end up with a fight at the end because the GC didn't buy it > > out. We were considering just including all of it in all of our > > preaction bids so they get a complete system and eliminate the hassle > > but felt that this would make us less competitive if others weren't > > doing the same. We will continue to exclude and see if we can't find a > > better way to communicate that this is a likely scope gap unless it is > addressed at bid time. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:03 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Preaction Systems Scope > > > > Here it is typically handled like Mike describes too. Everyone pretty > > much knows the general's contracts guy will miss all the exclusion > > clauses unless he's been bitten before. The object is to get the > > building built with all systems working. > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Typically we tried to let the project team work it out, but if they > > > didn't or there wasn't a well defined project team to resolve these > > > issues we'd typically take it out for numbers. Usually we try and > > > get the electrical/alarm bidders for the project to put a number on it. > > > > > > Mike Morey, CFPS, SET > > > Planner Scheduler/Designer > > > BMWC Constructors, Inc. > > > 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222 > > > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > > > [email protected] | www.bmwc.com > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: Sprinklerforum > > > <[email protected]> > > > on behalf of Rod DiBona <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:25 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Preaction Systems Scope > > > > > > I am wondering how most of you handle the detection and releasing > > > systems for your preaction systems. We traditionally have excluded > > > all electrical and alarm but find it very common that the fire alarm > > > contractor was just smarts and parts and the electrician doesn't > > > have it in his scope. Not very often have the ME and EE coordinated > > > so that > > it is spelled out correctly. > > > So my question is do most of you include this scope and have an > > > electrical subcontractor that runs the conduit, provides and > > > installs the heats or detectors and programs the releasing panel or > > > do you exclude? Thanks > > > > > > > > > Rod at Rapid Fire > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > > > kl er.org _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > > > kl > > > er.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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