Using NFPA 484 would be similar to using aluminum storage standards for bringing a B-747-8 in a building.
The lithium battery industry needs to address this in a reasonable manner. The aerosol industry did this. Maybe the lithium battery industry hasn't done this because they can see what the answers are likely to be. Lots of water. In-rack sprinklers. Vertical barriers every X lineal feet in racks. Minimum aisle widths. Maximum pile sizes for non-rack storage. > On Feb 26, 2016, at 10:17, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: > > Storing lithium in a battery is probably different. > Anyone see the guy on the news in a convinience store a few days ago whose > e-cigarette went haywire in his front jeans pocket? > It looked like a blowtorch! >> On Feb 26, 2016 12:08 PM, "michael G" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Would the lithium battery storage fall under the requirements of storage in >> NFPA 484? This does address lithium storage, but not lithium battery >> storage. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael Goodis >> Estimator, Project Manager >> IL#000635 NICET#135586 >> Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC >> 3200 Mike Padgett HWY >> Augusta, GA 30906 >> Office- (706)790-3473 >> Cell- (706) 220-8822 >> Fax: (706) 738-2119 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] >> On Behalf Of David Blackwell >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 10:32 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Lithium battery storage >> >> FYI - In case some of you were not aware, the term has changed to SDS and >> the requirements for the forms being produced now have changed. >> See the OSHA website at >> https://www.osha.gov/dsg/hazcom/effectivedates.html >> >> The following section of text was extracted [in part] from a document >> linked >> from the main OSHA HCS page at >> https://www.osha.gov/dsg/hazcom/: >> >> The Hazard Communication standard (HCS) has been revised to align with the >> United Nations Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labeling of >> Chemicals (GHS Revision 3, 2009). This includes updates to the requirements >> for labeling and for safety data sheets (SDSs). >> [...]changes in enforcement due to the release of the revised HCS published >> in the Federal Register on March 26, 2012. The revised standard changes >> "hazard determination" to the specific requirements for hazard >> classification of chemicals, standardizes label elements for containers of >> hazardous\ chemicals, and specifies the format and required content for >> SDSs. [...] Chemicals must be evaluated in accordance with specific >> guidance >> outlined in Appendices A and B of the standard. The hazard classification >> will result in the specification of pictograms, signal word, hazard >> statements, and precautionary statements which must be included on the >> labels. Specifications for these label elements are provided in Appendix C >> of the standard. The SDSs will have a standardized 16-section format (see >> Appendix D of the standard) and includes the information from the hazard >> classification (e.g., hazard class, pictogram). >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> David Blackwell >> >> David Blackwell, P.E. >> Chief Engineer >> (803)896-9833 >> >> Office of State Fire Marshal >> 141 Monticello Trail | Columbia, SC 29203 >> http://scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ >> (803)896-9800 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] >> On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:57 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Lithium battery storage >> >> *** SCDLLR NOTICE *** This email is from an external email address. Please >> use caution when deciding whether to open any attachments or when clicking >> links inside the email. >> >> You have to look at a consensus amongst data, not just one MSDS or not just >> one study. >> >> In this particular case there are no absolutes, no guarantees of any >> results. Take the info provided and use that to make your best case for a >> methodology. >> >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl >> Fire Protection Group Lead/SME >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29303 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] >> On Behalf Of å... .... >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:52 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Lithium battery storage >> >> Do we realize who writes those MSDS ? Although MSDS content has gotten >> better over the years... just saying think about the quality of analyses in >> some of those MSDS's. >> >> This commodity is non-standardized territory. >> If ecological considerations are a factor, then dump loads of water >> warrants >> a second look. >> >> We might be able to guarantee control of a Li-battery fire with lots of >> water, but until we get *LOTS* of water, we can't guarantee extinguishment >> using water only, either. >> >> The engineers at Boeing probably have some experience with suppressing >> Li-battery fires. Even though 'in safety there should be no secrets...' >> tell that to the economists. >> >> >> Scot Deal >> Excelsior Risk/Fire Engineering >> Scot Deal >> Excelsior Risk/Fire En >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
