The canopy itself that is spread over the steel members is what the architect is keying on to push the sprinkler requirement.
And this canopy is a mesh material that may or may not be able to trap heat to activate sprinklers. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2018, at 5:00 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]> wrote: > > If it’s all steel, I’d ignore it and be done. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > [email protected] | www.jacobs.com > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 6:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: % open > > This is all steel construction. The exterior projection overhang is steel > construction and the new add on to the clubhouse that this projects from is > also steel construction. > > <image002.jpg> > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > > “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price > is forgotten.” > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of AKS-Gmail-IMAP > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: % open > > This sounds like the “Architect has an archictectural feature right up > against the building problem.” Each case differs in some way of course. > > The wood pergola, once you see how they plan to build it, can be otherwise, > accurately described as “wood pallets on sticks”. Often they want to put it > next to the main building structure starting from underneath the roof > overhang. That is problematic when the main structure is wood. > > It probably will have electrical lighting circuits. > > Since there has to be some compromise to mitigate conditions, perhaps > something in all the involved disciplines (like starting the feature out from > under the roof because after all it probably cannot be cantelivered and > supporting one end on the main structure is asking for structural problems > down the line), you might be able sidewall the situation with the idea the > main structure is what get protected. Maybe that will fly. > > Allan Seidel > St. Louis, MO > > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Wayne Cordiner <[email protected]> wrote: > > Could you apply 8.15.7.4 to omit? > This doesn’t take into account the “trellis” type ceiling but being the > trellis will not have walls and no occupancy above (A.8.15.7.2) I would think > you can omit coverage. > A bit of a stretch as far as backing it up with code though, I know. > > Regards, > > Wayne T. Cordiner, Jr. > 917-426-5844 > [email protected] > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 10:35, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote: > > It’s a golf clubhouse with a radius projection. There are limited spots to > hang if we have to protect this space. It’s just a big cluster bomb. > > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > "Follow" us on Facebook: > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to MFP Design via: > https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]> wrote: > > 8.15.14 doesn’t apply to this application. That section is for grated > “ceilings” installed below sprinklers. > > Trellis construction being open is similar to a pergola where there is no > ceiling/roof. > > Being open, you can’t trap heat or smoke as long as they don’t plan to let > plants grow on the trellis work to create a “green roof/ceiling”. > > Is this for public seating? If it is, there may be local requirements for > overhead materials if they are combustible. > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > [email protected] | www.jacobs.com > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 11:02 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: % open > > Then I don’t think the section sited below is the correct application. I’m > honestly not sure where that is quantified. We usually are successful making > the argument that it won’t trap heat, but I can’t think of where that’s > actually spelled out in the code. I’m interested in the responses to this > one. > > Would it not otherwise meet the criteria for omitting sprinklers under an > exterior projection? > > -Kyle M > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: % open > > Yes. That is exactly it. > > <image001.jpg> > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > > “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price > is forgotten.” > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: % open > > Travis, > > Are you talking about an exterior trellis? Something that would not have > sprinklers above, just open to the sky above? > > -Kyle M > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of John Paulsen > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: % open > > 8.15.14.1 (2013) > > John Paulsen – SET > Crown Fire System Design > 6282 Seeds Rd. > Grove City, OH 43123 > P – 614-782-2438 > F – 614-782-2374 > C – 614-348-8206 > > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: % open > > I have a project where the architect is asking what is the % opening required > in a trellis type structure so that sprinklers are not required. 70% open is > coming to mind, but I can’t find a section referencing anything like that. > Can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > <image002.jpg> > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > > “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price > is forgotten.” > > ________________________________________________________________________________________ > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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