Well written, teddy! On Jan 11, 2014 5:27 AM, "Cookswell Jikos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear All, > > This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily following > during my travels this last week. I find that discussions like these help > to define the complexities of the biomass cookstove sector. I often wonder > what other non-electric domestic cooking appliances attract such passionate > players and great thinkers in their respective product lines. > > I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat involved in both > ends of this question of centralized and decentralized manufacture of > cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he > almost quite the KCJ (Kenya Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized > production was initially suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am > currently looking into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other > associated sheet metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal > baking ovens etc.) that can be locally assembled by networks of existing > manufactures; this is mainly to reduce raw material transport and waste > issues, increase standardization levels, increase customer/stove maker > interactions and to reduce end user costs. > > I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove dissemination > (but is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create something that is so > useful and easy to use, understand and make money off of, to huge range of > potential customers that replication, sometimes for the better, many times > for the worse, snowballs the technology into the kitchens of the ones > needing it most. > > To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and designs being > copied and sold in many countries by many levels of manufacturers is one of > the most satisfactory feelings of being good stove makers. We also very > much hope that more people will also begin to take the time to appreciate > the value of conducting a holistic manufacturing process that gives due > consideration to the life cycle analysis of the product(s) in question. > > And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire > ''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like to > send a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and manage this > list serve, it is very good stove reading. > > Happy new years and all the best to all, > > Teddy Kinyanjui > > Sustainability Director > > *Cookswell Jikos* > www.cookswell.co.ke > www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos > www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com > Mobile: +254 700 380 009 > Mobile: +254 700 905 913 > P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS. A good way to frame >> this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of >> efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other. >> Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts >> are important and require different types of tailored support. It would be >> useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support >> that is needed in each case. And overall, I think that a discussion >> focused "and" not "versus" would be quite interesting. >> >> Cheers, >> Ranyee >> ________________________________________ >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on >> behalf of Paul Anderson <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve >> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove >> efforts >> >> Ben, >> >> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was >> it, and to whom? Any viable contacts that could be reached for further >> clarification? >> >> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far >> fewer funds. Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that >> favor those who can lobby and have the money already. Because that is >> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized >> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas? >> >> Paul >> >> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD >> Email: [email protected] >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 >> Website: www.drtlud.com >> >> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote: >> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there >> consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message >> of mass production and distribution by development industry players. >> > >> > B >> > >> > >> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Paal, and all, >> >> >> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards >> are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts. >> >> >> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized >> production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of >> the affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That >> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many >> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major >> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the >> funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could >> not, they would not be in control of the situation.) >> >> >> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having >> major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one >> example. >> >> >> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step >> forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD >> >> Email: [email protected] >> >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 >> >> Website: www.drtlud.com >> >> >> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700, >> >>> [email protected] wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, >> but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove >> list I have come to this conclusion. >> >>>> >> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or >> decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on >> the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration >> the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass >> fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and >> agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of >> different types will give a lot of new needed jobs. >> >>>> >> >>>> · Registration of local waste combustible biomass. >> >>>> >> >>>> · Use of local resources >> >>>> >> >>>> · Biochar production by cooking. >> >>>> >> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low >> income groups all around the worl >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo [email protected] >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Stoves mailing list >> >>> >> >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >>> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >>> >> >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web >> site: >> >>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Stoves mailing list >> >> >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web >> site: >> >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Stoves mailing list >> > >> > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> > [email protected] >> > >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> > >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> > >> > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ethos mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://cannon-mail.vrac.iastate.edu/mailman/listinfo/ethos >> ________________________________ >> >> ________________________________ >> >> The United Nations Foundation DC office is moving! 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