Teddy et al:
I have just visited your web site and was very impressed. You obviously
have a big concern about charcoal being produced badly - so thank for that. I
like your comments on where/how to manufacture stoves.
You also look like a great company to manufacture char-making stoves. Is
that possibly on the horizon for cookswelljikos?
Ron
On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Cookswell Jikos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Richard, Salaams,
>
> I did meet Charles briefly once, but that was many years ago - I do try to
> stay in touch as much as my work schedule allows with as many other stovies
> in Kenya as I can but we are all a busy lot and dont get to see each other
> enough.
>
> In regards to your email above, I have found that at the end of the day,
> whether or not the the stove was made in either of the manufacturing systems
> discussed, it remains one of the last things on a long list of reasons why my
> customers part with their hard earned money to buy a Cookswell stove.
> Cheers,
>
> Teddy
>
>
>
> Cookswell Jikos
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
> Mobile: +254 700 380 009
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>
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> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Richard Stanley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Habari gani, Teddy,
> Did you ever hear of Charles Onyando over in Kangemi? He passed away a few
> years ago but was very active with stoves himself and he worked with your
> father for a while in testing and design.
> Richard Stanley
> www.legacyfound.org
> Indani ya nchi ya US, kwa sasa
>
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily following
> during my travels this last week. I find that discussions like these help to
> define the complexities of the biomass cookstove sector. I often wonder what
> other non-electric domestic cooking appliances attract such passionate
> players and great thinkers in their respective product lines.
>
> I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat involved in both
> ends of this question of centralized and decentralized manufacture of
> cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he
> almost quite the KCJ (Kenya Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized production
> was initially suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am currently
> looking into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other associated sheet
> metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal baking ovens etc.) that
> can be locally assembled by networks of existing manufactures; this is mainly
> to reduce raw material transport and waste issues, increase standardization
> levels, increase customer/stove maker interactions and to reduce end user
> costs.
>
> I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove dissemination (but
> is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create something that is so useful and
> easy to use, understand and make money off of, to huge range of potential
> customers that replication, sometimes for the better, many times for the
> worse, snowballs the technology into the kitchens of the ones needing it
> most.
>
> To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and designs being
> copied and sold in many countries by many levels of manufacturers is one of
> the most satisfactory feelings of being good stove makers. We also very much
> hope that more people will also begin to take the time to appreciate the
> value of conducting a holistic manufacturing process that gives due
> consideration to the life cycle analysis of the product(s) in question.
>
> And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire
> ''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like to send
> a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and manage this list
> serve, it is very good stove reading.
>
> Happy new years and all the best to all,
>
> Teddy Kinyanjui
>
> Sustainability Director
>
> Cookswell Jikos
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
> Mobile: +254 700 380 009
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS. A good way to frame this
> discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of efforts can
> be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other. Certainly
> from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts are important
> and require different types of tailored support. It would be useful to hear
> some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support that is needed in
> each case. And overall, I think that a discussion focused "and" not "versus"
> would be quite interesting.
>
> Cheers,
> Ranyee
> ________________________________________
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on
> behalf of Paul Anderson <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove
> efforts
>
> Ben,
>
> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
> it, and to whom? Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
> clarification?
>
> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
> fewer funds. Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
> favor those who can lobby and have the money already. Because that is
> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email: [email protected]
> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website: www.drtlud.com
>
> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there
> > consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message
> > of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Paal, and all,
> >>
> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are
> >> stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
> >>
> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production
> >> of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the
> >> affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That
> >> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many
> >> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major
> >> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the
> >> funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could
> >> not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
> >>
> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having
> >> major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one
> >> example.
> >>
> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward
> >> wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> >> Email: [email protected]
> >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> >> Website: www.drtlud.com
> >>
> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
> >>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but
> >>>> after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove
> >>>> list I have come to this conclusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized
> >>>> activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the
> >>>> enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration
> >>>> the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass
> >>>> fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry
> >>>> and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass
> >>>> of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> · Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
> >>>>
> >>>> · Use of local resources
> >>>>
> >>>> · Biochar production by cooking.
> >>>>
> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low
> >>>> income groups all around the worl
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo [email protected]
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