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What's interesting is that bars and restaurants are one of the most
regulated businesses. Codes tell them how hot and cold their food must be,
how many sinks in the kitchen, what type of floor tile to use, when to send
sick employees home, etc. While they occasionally complain about how they
are inspected, they abide by the code. This type of regulation benefits
them because it keeps them out of trouble and helps to keep them from bad
publicity, ie. Hoggsbreath.
Rob Fulton
Highland Park
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well done dave!! - I saw today that the saint paul chamber of commerce
opposed the ban (big surprise). this is what I would like to know - how
did the chamber come to this decision - did it poll its members and if
so can we see those numbers. i strongly suspect that a very few, not
necessarily representative people, made the decision based more on the
notion that any regulation of any kind on bidness is bad for bidness,
Brian Bates MacGrove.
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>It was a civil meeting (sorry, no major outbursts) Packed chambers.
>In my unbiased opinion he testimony of the pro ban side was most
>convincing.
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>Pro ban:
>Gary Schiff, mpls councilmember came over to let us know we weren't
>alone.
>Ventilation expert testified smoke filters don't eliminate carcinogens
>Heart rending testimony from a cancer victim
>Testimony from African American community about targetting minorities
>by tobacco industry.
>Youth testimony challenging us as adults.
>2 MD's representing our largest health care providers - "please support
>the ban"
>and more
>
>Pro tobacco side:
>Bad for business
>Not about health, about economics
>Bars will shut down
>Freedom of choice
>Quit telling us what to do.
>Don't believe statistics.
>Smoking hasn't been proven to be a health risk.
>
>The ordinance will be laid over now for 2 weeks, then amendments
>considered. If any are made the vote will lay over another week before
>it would be up for a vote.
>
>Got a letter from Tempe AR Mayor debunking the convention bureau
>assertion that the city regrets their ban. He says it is popular and
>reports no bars out of business because of the ban.
>
>Got a message from Roseville today. They are going to introduce one
>next.
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>dave
>ward two st. paul
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>Hi All!
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>Am sure that some of us were at the hearing.
>
>Initial feedback on eviiiillll talk radio is that the anti-smokes were
>very rude
>and the smokers were civil. Odd, I thought the smokers were the rude
>ones!
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>Any alternative takes?
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>Cheers!
>
>PK
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>Never smoked (tobacco) but believes in letting businesses determine
>their own
>policy without politburo edicts.
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