Well, Tim knows what the situation was, but I will say it seems to me that just because he was once the target of the temper tantrums shouldn't disqualify him from addressing the larger issue, which is a known fact and which has happened to so many people. I'm with you that personal behavior isn't relevant - just because we elect these folks to do a job doesn't mean we own them! But this isn't about how Randy acts at home or with his friends, this is about how he can't manage his own temper, and how he governs through intimidation. While he doesn't always go as far as he has lately - threatening Councilmembers and legislators that he'll make certain areas or all of St. Paul pay the price if they don't capitulate to his floodwall - there are some elements that seem to be habit. Always the yelling, often waving his finger in the person's face, and usually stomping out of the room when he can't win the argument. Like most bullies, he's a coward at heart.
If a person can't manage themselves any better than that, I don't have a lot of confidence that they can manage a city, and I'd be pretty angry if I didn't find out until after the election. Like so many people were angry after Norm Coleman won, when they found out too late that his lifestyle didn't stand up to the "family values" that he preached. And by the way, if he hadn't tried to present himself as holier than thou, I would say that his marriage and how he raises his kids are entirely his business; but once you start attacking someone else for having inferior morals, your own morals are fair game. Anyway, back to honest reporting. What ever happened to reporters digging a little to get the truth, instead of just reporting who said what, or (worse) reporting whatever someone says as if it's the truth, without checking the facts. How different would our mayor's race be if people knew more about how Randy Kelly really works, or heard the truth behind Chris Coleman's council career, instead of just accepting what he says? Jeanne Schnitzen Highland Park Jeanne Weigum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeanne, are you referring to Mayor kelly refusing to participate in (walking out of) an editorial board meeting if a specific beat reporter were present? On the other hand, one has to wonder how a reporter is supposed to be objective in his reporting once he is part of the story. My observation is that reporters are very reluctant to report on the more personal flaws and foibels of elected officials. I voted for Arnie Carlson at least one time. I did that knowing the man had a serious temper. His temper had an impact on the way the job got done. I always thought it was relevant to report, but it seldom if ever was. There was at least one, ( I was involved in the story so knew about it) situation where reporters were summoned and put in a very very difficult position. The incident was never reported. The same fault is shared by Mike Hatch, something that numerous people who are former employees of the AGs office will attest to. I don't think that has ever been reported, and it most certainly affects the way the job gets done there, to say nothing of the turnover in the office. I have been told of situations where reporters were on the receiving end of the abuse and I have several personal friends who have suffered his wrath. Failure to report these kinds of things probably can be understood, but since it DOES affect the way the job gets done, I agree with Jeanne that it should be reported. It should also be reported if someone is seldom if ever in their office, refuses to meet with constituents, doesn't have a clue what they are voting on most of the time, are vulgar and profane when someone disagees with them, or take every opportunity to put their hand on some body part of a nearby woman. But, these things don't get reported either. Mostly we get only the way the vote went. I fully agree that purely personal things do not belong in the newspaper. I put things in that category like someone's 12 year old son wetting the bed, someone's spouse being picked up for shop lifting or whether or not a person had an abortion. Jeanne Weigum Jeanne Schnitzen wrote: > > So Tim, since you're here - when are you going to write an article about the > Mayor's temper tantrums? You know that he's done it to everyone at City Hall, > now's he doing it to legislators at the Capitol. I hear you were on the > receiving end of one yourself recently. > > The guy has some serious problems with anger, and I think people deserve to > know the truth about their mayor and how he conducts city business by > intimidation. > > So how about it Tim?? > > Jeanne Schnitzen > Highland Park > > > > Nelson, Tim tnelson at pioneerpress.com > Thu Mar 24 16:36:52 CST 2005 > > Previous message: [StPaul] Mayor Kelly and City Attorney: Risking public > safety at Planned Parenthood protest? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > --------------------------------- > > FROM THE ORIGINAL POST:"I as a past participant and known persuasion had > already received noticesto remind me of the caucuses, but that many others I > knew had no idea aboutwhen and where this year. And while I didn't look hard, > I don't rememberseeing any articles jumping out at me from either newspaper. > Was there any?"FOR THE RECORD:The Pioneer Press published two stories on the > caucuses, the morning of thecaucuses. One, included below, listed the times > and locations for all thecaucuses and most of the Ward conventions, as well > as directions to thecounty's precinct finder. We also had a story about the > endorsements byHelgen, Lantry and Benanav that ran on the cover of the Local > section, andincluded a reference to the caucus story inside.We also sent > three reporters to the caucuses and had a story about them onthe cover of the > local section the next day. We've since run separatearticles on the Ward 1, 2 > and 5 conventions.Tim NelsonSt. Paul Pioneer Press651-292-1159ST. PAUL M AY > OR'S > RACE//PRECINCT CAUCUSES HELD TONIGHTPublished on 03/01/2005Section: > LocalPage: B4Byline: Tim NelsonSt. Paul's political season opens tonight, > with precinct caucuses around thecity marking the first official gatherings > for this year's mayoral race.Republicans will have a single gathering at the > St. Paul College, 235Marshall Ave. Registration will begin at 6:30 p.m. and > the caucus willconvene a 30 minutes later.DFLers will hold caucuses at these > nine locations, all starting withregistration at 6:30 p.m. The caucuses will > convene 30 minutes later.-- Ward 1: Rondo Center (blue door), 560 Concordia > Ave.-- Ward 2: Precincts 1-7: Monroe Community School, 810 Palace > Ave.Precincts 8-11: Wellstone Elementary School, 65 E. Kellogg Blvd.Precincts > 12-16: Humboldt High School, 30 E. Baker St.-- Ward 3: Highland Park Junior > High, 975 S. Snelling Ave. A ward conventionimmediately will follow the > caucuses.-- Ward 4: Hancock Elementary school, at 1599 Englewood Ave., with > aconvention to foll o > w the > caucuses.-- Ward 5: Como Park High School, 740 W. Rose Ave.-- Ward 6: Johnson > High School, 1349 Arcade St., with a convention tofollow.-- Ward 7: Harding > High School, 1540 E. Sixth St., with a convention tofollow.The Ward 1 > convention is scheduled for March 12. The Ward 2 convention willbe March 19, > and the Ward 5 -convention is still to be scheduled.For citizens who are > unsure of which precinct they live in, help isavailable on the Ramsey County > elections bureau Web site atwww.co.ramsey.mn.us > /elections/precinctfinder/index.asp.The office also accepts inquiries by > e-mail at elections at co.ramsey.mn.us orby telephone at 651-266-2171. > > --------------------------------- > > Previous message: [StPaul] Mayor Kelly and City Attorney: Risking public > safety at Planned Parenthood protest? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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