On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Brad Lackey wrote:
The story here is probably a little more complicated than everyone
makes it out to be.
I can imagine...
But remember, we are technicians and hackers. We are not crazy about
talking politics, money and bureaucracy - we understand computers.
One of the things that Oracle is understandably trying to do is be
much more diligent on requiring the purchase of software licenses and
support for previous Sun products. Sun was not as accountable as it
should have been when verifying entitlement and closing all the free
loopholes on software updates, etc. I suspect that there are many out
there who are out of compliance. Perhaps even some of you who are on
this list.
So Let's be clear about a few things...
We all know that changes will come, we are waiting for it. But since
everybody are antsy they are also sensitive to the tone the changes will
be presented.
Are we talking about improvements or enforcements?
-You must have a Sun Ray Software or Oracle VDI license for each of the
Sun Rays or PC's connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI server
-Alternatively you may purchase a Named User license for each user
connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI Servers
-In order to receive updates to Sun Ray software or VDI software you
must have support for each of your licenses. This support must remain
continuously or re-instatement charges will apply
This is just like the regular Sun Ray license. First you buy the DTU then
you buy the server, the server is version x and is priced per DTU. When
server version y comes out we can have that one if we buy it, priced per
DTU.
-There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles
you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the
SRSS, this support is required.
Now this is where you lost me.
We buy the server, priced per DTU and now we are paying extra for the
right to install it on the DTU?
I was confused enough when I bought the original DTUs and was told there
would be an RTU cost, but I got it now, you need money for development of
new server software. You are enforcing these license costs.
But, again, we are paying a yearly support contract on each DTU to be able
to install the server we were paying per DTU?
I certainly can't comment on discount levels, etc. nor what possibly
money losing pricing you received before, but obviously things have
changed. All pricing to resellers, their discounts, and discounting to
direct purchasers are being re-negotiated now that we are part of
Oracle. I'm sure that this doesn't surprise anybody.
Changes in pricing is always expected when the new vendor without
experience enters the customer community.
What my problem is that Micrsoft gives us EDU discount, Red Hat does,
Maple does, Matlab does and Sun did. The feelings expressed are "we like
you, you in EDU-land". Now you tell us that EDU discount wont happen, ok,
new prices could be accepted. What is harder to accept is "Why doesn't
Oracle like EDU-land as much as Sun did?"
-- Alexander
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