I am in a similar boat as CJ is. TJHSST is a 4-year full-time science and tech magnet high school in Northern Virginia. Nearly every student in the school (~450 per graduating class) will use a Sun Ray during their time here. Many of our students, after several more years of higher education, feed into the regional federal government and contractors that are very large potential customers for Oracle. We also occasionally have heads of other school systems, US and foreign, visiting. Today, they see Sun Rays, but that may not last much longer under Oracle. I and others have also presented on thin client technologies specifically advocating Sun Ray at an annual conference held at TJHSST for US overseas schools.
I am just glad that I was convinced in 2009 that we should get a 3 year support contract. Between lack of edu discounts and chopping of lower tiers of support, we're hard-pressed to keep using Oracle. William Yang On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:57:43 -0600, CJ Keist <[email protected]> wrote: > Brad, > Let me paint a picture for you. We have thousands of students that > go through our degree programs, and what they see when working in our > labs are Sun branded monitors, Sun branded Sun Rays and servers. Our > students are here for four to six years and when graduate and go out > into the world they take with them the knowledge and comfort of working > with Sun products. > Now enter in Oracle and their complete lack of interest in > supporting EDU. In three years all the Sun equipment will be replaced, > but the way things are now they will not be replaced with Oracle products. > > > On 8/19/10 9:41 AM, Brad Lackey wrote: >> The story here is probably a little more complicated than everyone >> makes it out to be. >> >> Fisrt, The list price of the Sun Rays have not changed, in fact, we >> are charging exactly the same for the more capable 3 Plus as the model >> it replaced (2FS). >> >> When purchasing Sun, Oracle needed transition the partner and reseller >> agreements onto Oracle contracts because all of the original Sun >> contracts were now expired. Most of them made the transition, but some >> couldn't come to an agreement on portions of the new terms and have >> gone their separate ways. >> >> One of the things that Oracle is understandably trying to do is be >> much more diligent on requiring the purchase of software licenses and >> support for previous Sun products. Sun was not as accountable as it >> should have been when verifying entitlement and closing all the free >> loopholes on software updates, etc. I suspect that there are many out >> there who are out of compliance. Perhaps even some of you who are on >> this list. >> >> So Let's be clear about a few things... >> >> -You must have a Sun Ray Software or Oracle VDI license for each of >> the Sun Rays or PC's connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI server >> -Alternatively you may purchase a Named User license for each user >> connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI Servers >> -In order to receive updates to Sun Ray software or VDI software you >> must have support for each of your licenses. This support must remain >> continuously or re-instatement charges will apply >> -There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles >> you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the >> SRSS, this support is required. >> >> I certainly can't comment on discount levels, etc. nor what possibly >> money losing pricing you received before, but obviously things have >> changed. All pricing to resellers, their discounts, and discounting to >> direct purchasers are being re-negotiated now that we are part of >> Oracle. I'm sure that this doesn't surprise anybody. >> >> Oracle is extremely excited about these products, there is a bright >> future with plenty of updates in the works. I'm sure that you've even >> seen a Senior Vice President on this list who personally has been >> making improvements. >> >> I encourage you all to take a look at the Virtualization forum going >> on TODAY which has a ton of Desktop information in it. >> http://www.oracle.com/dm/11h1global/53743_ev_virtualizationforum.html >> >> Also, if any of you have specific purchasing concerns, whether it's >> finding a reseller, etc. please contact me directly and I will try to >> get you some help and attention. >> >> Brad >> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 7:39 AM, CJ Keist wrote: >> >>> Same story here. Our edu reseller contacted us letting us know they >>> can longer price Sun/Oracle equipment. Sun Ray DTU's are now price >>> $450! Up from what we usually paid of $298 at the highest. Now >>> Oracle is dropping OpenSolaris, and from what I read Solaris OS will >>> no longer be a free download either. Can someone verify this? The >>> future of Sun Rays here is look very dim in deed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/10 7:34 AM, William Yang wrote: >>>> I don't think Oracle Premier Support is required is it? As far as I've >>>> seen, the Support for a Sun Ray is just "Oracle Priority Service for >>>> Sun >>>> Ray Peripherals". >>>> >>>> Either way, Oracle doesn't show much love for the edu industry since it >>>> probably isn't obviously profitable from their point of view. >>>> Ditching edu >>>> will hurt them in the long run, but probably not until after Larry has >>>> retired. >>>> >>>> William Yang >>>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:51:30 -0400, Steven Gelsie >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Alexander: I have to agree about having a bad feeling about this. We >>>>> finally got a quote yesterday and we did get a little discount but it >>>>> was consumed by a "Oracle Premier Support" cost, which as far as I can >>>>> tell is a hardware support cost. Hardware support on a Sunray DTU, >>>>> give >>>>> me a break. I also got the impression that our supplier is getting out >>>>> of the business of selling Oracle equipment. I think Oracle wants >>>>> customers to deal directly with Oracle. Quote: $431 for DTU, $72 for >>>>> license, $73 for Premier Support. >>>>> >>>>> I got a better price from General Dynamics on their Pulsar. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan: What is WSCA ? >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On 08/19/10 05:00, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Send SunRay-Users mailing list submissions to >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>>> than "Re: Contents of SunRay-Users digest..." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Purchasing sunray DTU (Steven Gelsie) >>>>>> 2. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (Jonathan C. Bailey) >>>>>> 3. Re: old SRSS docs (Quayle, Bill) >>>>>> 4. Re: old SRSS docs (Stoyan Angelov) >>>>>> 5. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (Alexander Koponen) >>>>>> 6. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (William Yang) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:28:51 -0400 >>>>>> From: Steven Gelsie<[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU >>>>>> Message-ID:<[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> Does any body know of a vendor that gives discounts on the Sunray >>>>>> DTUs >>>>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>>>> Oracle does not give government or educational discounts. >>>>>> We are >>>>>> interested in the 3 Plus. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SunRay-Users mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> C. J. Keist Email: [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Systems Group Manager Phone: 970-491-0630 >>> Engineering Network Services Fax: 970-491-5569 >>> College of Engineering, CSU >>> Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301 >>> >>> All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness' >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SunRay-Users mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >> >> >> Brad Lackey | Technical Enablement Manager >> Phone: +1 3038758616 >> Oracle Global Desktop Virtualization >> San Diego, CA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SunRay-Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >> _______________________________________________ SunRay-Users mailing list [email protected] http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
