Will i'll tell you who Randy is Thats me and i have been using Ncomputing
for about the last 3 years. I'm the IT Directory for a small school district
in missouri and sence budget cuts are coming and coming fast we as a small
school (Not EDU's) will be loosing funding very soon and so we have to look
for other solutions to add computers to the school..
I was Looking at sunrays and and i was going to spend the money for it but
sence Oracle bought out SUN well i desided not to go that Direction. Cause
now all they want is money and a TON of it and here in Missouri i only found
one place in st louis that sells it or even to get a support from want a
small fortune to support it also..
I did a Test Setup of the Sunrays and got it all runing but then when i seen
how much they wanted for the DTU's and the software i felt like there were
smoking stove gas cause you can buy a whole new PC for the price per station
of sunrays
I'm not out to Sell Ncomputing i was just saying that they have a good
product and the
L300 Unit that just came out a couple of months ago its very nice for the
money.
You say that you only have seen most users use 10 at one time well i'm here
to say i run 30 on a I7 intel core with 4 gig of ram and a win2k3 server and
it runs great.
I have not yet have had any issues with the server or the L300 units.
Now 30 stations is a small cry from 500 stations but for small schools less
than 3000 kids its a great solution..
Maby the people that were runing 10 units were runing winXP Pro cause that
the most you can run using that OS when you use win2k server you can run 30
stations.. and soon there linux version and of VCenter will be out in mid
sept and a win2k8 64 bit version coming in early 2011 i''lll be putting that
on our network also..
Now i know that you guys work at much bigger places than i have like EDU's
and major companys and know a heack of alot more than me on Sunrays and
Oracle stuff.
But so far from what i experence from Oracle is a lack of any help from
them.
They try to find you a partner to sell the stuff to you and want a huge
amount of money for it and there support. so thats why i stayed with
Ncomputing I think they will be here for the long haul..
Its to bad the country is in the a huge mess and budget cuts are coming
soon..
I don't how big EDU's budget's are but if your getting money from the state
it will getting cut soon.. and maby the IT people that keep it runing..
Hope i didn't make anybody mad and if i did i'm very sorry..
Randy Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Bender" <[email protected]>
To: "SunRay-Users mailing list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 AM
Subject: [SunRay-Users] N-Computing...
I'm not sure who "Randy" is, but this list has pretty long history of full
disclosure and not suffering any fools. It's interesting that the three
or so posts he has, has to do with N-Computing. If I'm out of line here,
I apologize.
With that in mind I (From Oracle) will give you what I know about
N-Computing as seen through my eyes and and the eye of our customers.
N-Computing offer 3 devices, the "L" (for LAN) the "U" for USB, and the
"X" for PCIx connections.
U and X have 10 meter distance distance limitation. Both require physical
machines to install either the PCIx or USB adaptor cards. These offer the
best USB and Multimedia experience across their product line (and hey, you
can buy them from the Sky Mall catalog).
The "L" claims to have virtually no limitations, how ever real world usage
shows that it consumes 15-20 Mbps on average and requires latency under
50ms to operate. That rules out "WAN" for most deployments, unless it's
pristine and close.
N-Computing claims up 30 users per "machine" but every example they show
uses 10. Best performance practices I've seen from customers I've talked
to is around 10 as well.
With the L model and their VDI like architectures are done by installing
their vSpace software on VM's. Though it's more of a point and shoot (i.e.
the VM's are always running) vs true brokering and a VDI lifecycle. This
software can be also installed on WTS for multiuser.
All rules surrounding Microsoft Terminal Services Client access licenses
apply, though all their white papers show educational pricing for these.
Non-Edu folks should ask what their prices are.
It's not built to scale out (i.e. you're not going to get the 500 users
bare metal that we are getting on Nehalem boxes), but for smaller installs
it's not bad. There is no Hot Desking, nor the notion of different
personalities per token. Multimedia is indeed good if you are within their
distance and user recommendations. But our multimedia is pretty darn good
now too. Even over 20 hops and 130ms latency.
(shameless plug http://blogs.sun.com/ThinkThin/entry/oracle_vdi_3_2_in )
Regards,
TG
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