At 14:42 +0000 11/26/2002, pdimage.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

>Jeff,
>      I got the mobo in with no problem and put in the 8200 with 4megs
>vram/128 megs ram/24x cd/4gig HD and fitted the 200mhz 604e from my Umax
>into the processor slot but it won't fire up past the chimes.
>      Tried an XLR8 G4/400 zif carrier too but no go - changed the
>cache,reset with the cuda,changed the dimms and checked everything I can
>think of but no smiley face - not even a question mark.
>      However, I have noted from the Apple spec site that the 8500 has a
>higher rated power supply. I'm no electrician but could that be my
>problem? Not enough amps to drive it?
>

Hey Pete,

The power supply shouldn't be the problem unless you have a bunch of 
drives hooked up to it.  I've been using a 7200 power supply to test 
9500 configurations on my test bench.  Usually with three drives (two 
hard, one CDROM) attached.

I think you have a typo up above.  Either that, or I'm confused.  You 
have installed an 8500 motherboard in an 8200 case, correct?

The first thing I would do (because it's the least trouble) is to try 
the Early-PRAM-Zap.  Shall we call that EPZ from now on?  :-)   Was 
it Peter in Japan who coined the "RAM Sandwich" term.  We need 
someone to come up with a snappy name for this procedure.

Anyway, in case you missed it in earlier postings (most recently from 
Howie) get your hands ready, power on the computer, then ***BEFORE*** 
the chimes finish sounding, hit the cmd-opt-p-r keys.   This usually 
brings up the video on a chiming black screen freeze.

If that doesn't work, recheck the power supply connections and such, 
of course.  You might want to check the reset and power buttons on 
the motherboard given the recent thread.

If there's no joy from any of that, disconnect all your drive cables 
from the motherboard.   Take out your VRAM and install a PCI video 
card that you know works.  Remove any other PCI cards.   Be sure to 
remove any VGA adapters from the built-in video port if you are using 
one.   Install just one stick of memory, any size will do.  Just make 
sure it's one you know is good.   Now try again.   If you get to the 
flashing question mark at this point, then you can start building 
things back up one or two  at a time until it stops working 
again--assuming it does.

That last paragraph is just general "I don't know what's wrong with 
it, let's try everything advice".  But there's sense to it.   Hard 
drives and PCI cards don't help if you're not even getting a start up 
chime.  Once you have a chime, they still don't help if you can't get 
video.  So disconnect all that stuff.  At this point, your goal is to 
get video.  Once you have that, hopefully it will go all the way to 
the flashing question mark.   Once you get to the flashing question 
mark, you can start worrying about hooking up a working storage 
device with an OS and installing enough memory to run it.

I hope that helps.

Jeff Walther

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